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@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostlywrote:
Is open source dead? Everyone has the power now to make their own stacks of things. The people aspect of open source is dead or dying. I don't think the bunny is going back in the box.
@chanuxprofilefollowI ain't no nothing!replied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
One nice thing about Open Source (at least for me) is different people doing the same thing in different ways and one of those happen to suit my taste perfectly. And in many cases, I won't be able to come with it myself even with Super Intelligence.
@paulprofilefollowadamspaul.short.gy/notesreplied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
Evgeny Morozov has pointed out that using ai through chat interfaces is based on an individualised and privatised model, which (heavily paraphrased) is inherently anti-social. With an extra layer now of people making small personalised tools, do bigger things still need teams of people who know what theyโ€™re doing? FWIW Iโ€™d like to see more sharing of vibe coded tools instead of everyone making their own more less the same ones. Mine are here: pauladams.neocities.org
@gruntprofilefollowI am just a grain of sand on your beach. www.gruntsoft.comreplied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
I don't think so. I have been using more open source software than ever before. You may argue that with LLMs I have the power to make my own stack of things, but this doesn't eliminate that I still need knowledge to properly steer an LLM to create something worthwhile. If I have no knowledge of what I intend to build, the best thing the LLM will generate is a half-assed copy of something that already exists. Which is what we have been drowning in the past couple of years.
@gruntprofilefollowI am just a grain of sand on your beach. www.gruntsoft.comcontinued:
AI can be a superpower in the hands of someone knowledgeable. That makes the people aspect of open source more important, not less. If you offload your curiosity and desire to learn to AI, you will be a slave to it's limitations instead of being a master of its capabilities.
@hippo๐Ÿฆ›profilefollowStrictly no LLMs. No exceptions.replied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
Of course not. I think it is much more relevant to ask "Is closed source dead?". Anyone can now replace a proprietary program with a vibeslopped alternative which might suit them just as well. It will have the same level of trust (ie. none) and none of the other drawbacks.
@ku๐Ÿค”profilefollowHai I am kuwrote:
Since you guys are on textlog I think you will find this article and discussion interesting lobste.rs/s/5gcd3t/html_can_doLobstersHTML Can Do That22 comments chrisburnell.com/html-can-do-that/Chris BurnellHTML Can Do ThatHTML has been gobbling up swathes of what used to be JavaScriptโ€™s remit. This page lists a bunch of dynamic functionality that we can now achieve with just HTML. A character count though that still requires JavaScript sadly enough ๐Ÿฅบ
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@evnmprofilefollowSoftware engineerGitHubevnm - Overviewevnm has 51 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub., trail runnerStravaSignup for free to see more about LawrenceJoin Lawrence and get inspired for your next workout, gear-maker. Working on something new for homeownersgetonmain.comMain ยท A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.replied to@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
People post projects/tools/repos on lobsters all the time. From the about page, "as a rule of thumb, self-promo should be less than a quarter of one's stories and comments."
@evnmprofilefollowSoftware engineerGitHubevnm - Overviewevnm has 51 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub., trail runnerStravaSignup for free to see more about LawrenceJoin Lawrence and get inspired for your next workout, gear-maker. Working on something new for homeownersgetonmain.comMain ยท A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.continued:
I think if @stagasprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog intends to be an active user of the site henceforth, it'd it should be kosher. Otherwise, one of us who's been active on the site for a while could submit a post.
@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogreplied to@evnmprofilefollowSoftware engineerGitHubevnm - Overviewevnm has 51 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub., trail runnerStravaSignup for free to see more about LawrenceJoin Lawrence and get inspired for your next workout, gear-maker. Working on something new for homeownersgetonmain.comMain ยท A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.:
I plan to remain active, so not planning a top level post just yet. Will try to engage first for a few days so the ratio is low when I do the post.
@evnmprofilefollowSoftware engineerGitHubevnm - Overviewevnm has 51 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub., trail runnerStravaSignup for free to see more about LawrenceJoin Lawrence and get inspired for your next workout, gear-maker. Working on something new for homeownersgetonmain.comMain ยท A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.replied to@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
smort. I'll be at the ready to upboat once the post drops ๐Ÿซก
@jgprofilefollowNew herewrote:
Yes ๐Ÿ™Œ the authoring box first thing. Before I get distracted. Heck, make writing something down how I get distracted from reading others' posts.
@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostlywrote:
Iโ€™m an insane person who built their own coding harness, in Rust. Iโ€™ve called it Rho. Please forgive this landing page: https://rho-code.dev I just wanted an easy central spot.
@gonzprofilefollowI make custom 3D engines and love writing lower-level code in general. Living in Bulgaria. github.com/GoNZoooGitHubGoNZooo - OverviewBackend & frontend. Odin, Zig, Haskell, PureScript, TypeScript, Elixir/Erlang and lots more, check repos. - GoNZooo & www.youtube.com/@mccGoNZoooYouTubeRickard Andersson (gonz)Educational programming videos: - Projects - Language learning course-style contentreplied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
Not insane at all. People should build their own instead of using other people's agents. It's easy to do and the results can be great for you. I've built several; one that is effectively "stuck" in Kakoune: youtube.com/โ€ฆ/playlistYouTubeLLMs stuck in Kakoune
@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostlywrote:
Up earlier than I should be today. The witching hour got me. I started thinking about how many in society have decided they prefer screens and artificial words over real words and real connection. Have we collectively decided itโ€™s easier to just not be vulnerable? I should go back to bedโ€ฆ
@hotterprofilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.wrote:
Onboarded on Claude Team with Unlimited credit usage. In the first day, subscription limits were hit and then it silently went on spending 530 EUR in credits before I noticed.
@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogreplied to@hotterprofilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.:
I knew token-based was more expensive but didnโ€™t imagine that much. Which is why u canโ€™t compete making alternative coding agents, their own subscriptions are much cheaper, but why they do it on their own Teams package is weird. Maybe targetting companies they feel they can pay.
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowwrote:
Really glad to be using Haskell for work - especially in today's climate with agentic coding. Our team uses containers to keep our development environment consistent across team members, though, and most agent sandbox approaches want to either offload your work fully to the cloud or they want to sandbox the agent harness process itself. We're not ready for full cloud based development (yet?) and sandboxing just the agent doesn't work for us when the agent needs to run docker. #haskellnotesfollow #ainotesfollow
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowcontinued:
... because letting the agent run docker gives them a too-easy escape hatch from their sandbox. So we're currently stuck with using VMs. This turns out to be tricky but seems do-able. My current approach is to provision a VM image and use Incus for the execution. My main goal is to keep my current workflow of local/non-agent dev working seamlessly and share the source with the VM/agent.
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowcontinued:
This means sharing my working dirs with the agent VM but overlaying artifact dirs from VM-owned block devices so we don't take too big of an IO perf hit. I also don't want the agent to be able to git push so that means we need some quirky git config to rewrite origin paths and thread through some agent specific PATs ("thanks" GitHub) for read-only repo access. These ALSO need to be threaded through to the development containers - they need to clone private repos.
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowcontinued:
... in the end, this seems to work but I haven't lived with it for long. There are still some quality of life issues to work out, but I think it'll work out. At this point, I've removed all coding agents from my host - and that's nice.
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowreplied to@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
It's tangential to the sandboxing topic, really. I started the first post with a broader intent in mind and then elaborated on the sandboxing setup I'm working on. For AI-assisted coding, though, it's nice because Haskell provides a lot of feedback earlier in the development process compared to lots of other languages. It tends to work once it compiles (obviously not all the time).
@eatziprofilefollowEat, drink, listen to ๐ŸŽถ, & watch the fish. Occasionally cook.wrote:
There is beauty in simplicity. Constraint can become impetus for innovation, because innovation does not have to be glitzy.
@miqโ˜•profilefollowEternal disciple of impostor syndrome โˆ™ Perth, WA.replied to@eatziprofilefollowEat, drink, listen to ๐ŸŽถ, & watch the fish. Occasionally cook.:
Word! It's a travesty that complexity seems to be lauded and rewarded over simplicity.
@tel๐Ÿ˜ดprofilefollowI really enjoy learning, I really enjoy making. I'm learning to be less guarded.replied to@eatziprofilefollowEat, drink, listen to ๐ŸŽถ, & watch the fish. Occasionally cook.:
My favorite innovations in my own work -- and to be honest, I'd prefer to call them "discoveries" -- came from simplification. There's a beautiful moment when a stack of difficult, conflicting ideas collapse into a tighter, simpler structure.
@honey_ohs๐ŸฅทprofilefollowSoftware engineer. [Reluctant] Salesforce dev. Salesforceโ€™s biggest hater. stephenlf.devstephenlf.devImportant Thingswrote:
Whatโ€™s the difference between a script-kiddy and a real #developernotesfollow? Abstraction. You can program your whole life without learning how to meaningfully abstract problems into simpler pieces that TRULY make the problem easier to understand. Iโ€™m not talking about design patterns or #OOPnotesfollow vs #FPnotesfollow. These tools can help. But to really simplify something for others, you need an intellectual empathy that many simply never figure out.
@procyonprofilefollowlate is the hour in which this conjuror chooses to appearwrote:
"Sharing economy" once meant something. You'd Uber someone Bโ†’C when already driving Aโ†’Bโ†’Cโ†’D; you'd AirBNB your home when vacationing and stay at someone else's home who was doing the same. No driving just for Uber; no houses just for AirBNB. I fear this history will be forgotten.
@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogreplied to@procyonprofilefollowlate is the hour in which this conjuror chooses to appear:
My hometown is a popular tourist destination and we no longer can rent apartments on a year-basis. Everything is AirBnB and they only rent them to locals pretty expensive and off-season. As a local I can't live in my hometown anymore, so I'm staying in the mountains.
@gurpartapprofilefollowyou know me dont youwrote:
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@deallocprofilefollowwrote:
It's not clear, based on personal experience, how long - if it all - the software development field will value devs who actually enjoy the work. Most people I know are producing mostly AI work and there's an obvious skill decline that's resulted from it. 1/?
@deallocprofilefollowcontinued:
But does it matter if your boss doesn't care? Or if their boss doesn't care? If the paychecks keep coming who cares? What's the point of choosing the mountain if the "joy" just means more hours on screen that could have been spent elsewhere? 2/?
@deallocprofilefollowcontinued:
I got into doing dev work, because I thought it was fun to learn and do and I genuinely enjoyed hanging out with others who felt the same. Now, more than ever, I realize how few people feel the same. And, now - more than ever, I realize that no on cares if I feel that way. 3/?
@jgprofilefollowNew herewrote:
Quebec City is pretty amazing. Excellent food, tons to see and do, surrounded by nature, mountains, islands. My kind of place.
@sodapopcanprofilefollowMillenial/Xenial who used to be really excited about programming.replied to@jgprofilefollowNew here:
Do you live there or are just visiting? I remember feeling so at home there as a kid. I never kept my French up so I don't think I could ever move there.
@jgprofilefollowNew herereplied to@sodapopcanprofilefollowMillenial/Xenial who used to be really excited about programming.:
Visiting, for the first time. It's about a 9 hour drive from home so we've never made the trip, but so worth it. Went to Ile d'Orleans yesterday, just... so quiet and beautiful. Seems a bit of a paradise, haven't even made it up to the natl park(s) yet. My French is coming back a little each day, made it all the way through the coffee order just now :)