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curious to know whats the experience of production push in other companies? e.g lots of documents/approvalsโ€ฆ
๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.wrote:
This bout of COVID is more like โ€œCorona Lightโ€ compared to previous years, but Iโ€™m still spending most of it in bed. Stay safe out there.
๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.wrote:
So much present tense in #ainotesfollow generated prose. Terse, authoritative sentences, without breathing room, without hesitation or qualification. It jumps off the page, and not in a good way.
profilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.:
What about the lack of density to paragraphs, the length of the sentences, or the confidence and determinism of their direction? Conviction with no limits. So reliably repetitive that you start seeing patterns as if you are looking and reading a record player with some scratches on it. Skips. Squeaks. Repeats. Yet. It gets the job done.
๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.replied toprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.:
Yet. It gets the job done. Here's where we disagree. Using these tools as part of the job, certainly. But if I am to read, discern meaning, analyze choices of diction and structure, consider the context both of the author and the audience, and finally derive value from the written word, then generative #ainotesfollow falls short on many levels. If the "job" is to produce something no one was ever intending to engage with, then we have a more fundamental question about the value of the job.
profilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.:
Maybe what I messaged read as a disagreement and mentioning that they get the job done was actually not about producing prose (of any quality). I wholeheartedly agreed and still agree with you. Getting the job done was more about producing output - be it some prose, images, videos, software, whatever. They do generate output. It is not to say that the output is meaningful or meaningless. Some souls do enjoy it. Some others - donโ€™t. I did start with a question though.
profilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.wrote:
Trying tsoding/tatr idea for task tracking in the project. Instead of his C implementation asked CC to implement tatr.el. I do similar thing with vulpea, even my org notes have timestamp ids. Tatr tasks live in the repo, which is good.
๐ŸฅธprofilefollowJust another AI guywrote:
I need to re wire my brain a bit. Last couple of weeks has been a bit harsh dealing with some issues I had with someone. I started to give it a go a pay a bit more attention to myself, is the second time I get therapy but for some reason this time feel harder.
profilefollowI ain't no nothing!continued:
Listening to this I had an AHA moment. When the powers that be made more and more LLM tokens the whole goal, I thought it was quite stupid. But I realized that for them it made sense, because in their managerial understanding of programming, they believed the output of LLMs is the best they could get for the money.
๐Ÿ’งprofilefollowgrand and intoxicating innocence always onlinewrote:
guess who found some really cool book in my house!!! me! it's called the secret teachings of all ages.. should I give this a SHOT!!?!??
๐Ÿค”profilefollowHai I am kuwrote:
tell me if this makes sense to you: not all expensive chairs are worth a lot but the chairs that are worth a lot cost a lot of money
๐ŸฅทprofilefollowFather, getting older every day, technologist, enterprise architect @ work, like to explore tech. Like to keep it simple and work in the shell, write in vim, prefer Debian if I have the choice. Plays saxophone and clarinet. Enjoy motorcycle riding, photography, hiking. Christian.replied to๐Ÿค”profilefollowHai I am ku:
Maybe adjust the last part to โ€œmost Chairs that are worth a lotโ€ฆโ€ - because I guess there are chairs that are inexpensive but still good and thus could have cost a a lot?
๐Ÿค”profilefollowHai I am kureplied to๐ŸฅทprofilefollowFather, getting older every day, technologist, enterprise architect @ work, like to explore tech. Like to keep it simple and work in the shell, write in vim, prefer Debian if I have the choice. Plays saxophone and clarinet. Enjoy motorcycle riding, photography, hiking. Christian.:
my guess is the inexpensive chairs can be a good value for the price you pay but I doubt there are many of any chairs that are inexpensive and yet worth a lot
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๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogwrote:
NIH syndrome? I am guilty of it too. I love implementing things from scratch, you learn a lot by doing so and you get to own the codebase end-to-end, so no surprises and fighting around othersโ€™ choices. It can get exhausting too though, in the end I succumb to using off-the-shelf components because my primary goals move at a higher level.
profilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostlyreplied to๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
I don't see much point in trying to build software at a "higher level", like whole products and services. I'm going to go down low and train myself on the fundamentals. Hopefully in time I'll be able to contribute to the foundational bits. You're right, it does get exhausting. At some point you just want to rebuild everything, which is not possible.
profilefollow#minneapolisnotesfollowreplied toprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
I'm going to go down low and train myself on the fundamentals. When I wrote an HTTP sever (albeit HTTP/1.1), I learned how primitive the HTTP protocol its magic became a skill. It is freeing understanding how things work and allows me to choose where to spend time with more intention.
profilefollowI carved wooden spoons and my favourite herb is lemon thyme.wrote:
๐‘ฒ๐‘ฅ ๐‘ฉ๐‘•๐‘ฟ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ยท๐‘–๐‘ฑ๐‘๐‘พ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฆ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ฏ๐‘ช๐‘‘ ๐‘•๐‘ฉ๐‘๐‘น๐‘‘๐‘ฉ๐‘› ๐‘“ ๐‘ท๐‘‘๐‘ด-๐‘‘๐‘ฎ๐‘จ๐‘ฏ๐‘Ÿ๐‘ค๐‘ฑ๐‘–๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ. Iโ€™m assuming #Shaviannotesfollow is not supported for auto-translation.
profilefollowI carved wooden spoons and my favourite herb is lemon thyme.replied to๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
Hmm, maybe Iโ€™ll sometimes post in Shavian anyway and translate myself. Itโ€™s a skill Iโ€™m trying to practice but rarely otherwise write brief enough notes to be so inclined. ๐‘ฃ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฅ, ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฑ๐‘š๐‘ฐ ๐‘ฒ๐‘ค ๐‘•๐‘ณ๐‘ฅ๐‘‘๐‘ฒ๐‘ฅ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘๐‘ด๐‘•๐‘‘ ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ ยท๐‘–๐‘ฑ๐‘๐‘พ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆ๐‘ข๐‘ฑ ๐‘ฏ ๐‘‘๐‘ฎ๐‘จ๐‘ฏ๐‘Ÿ๐‘ค๐‘ฑ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฒ๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘ค๐‘“. ๐‘ฆ๐‘‘๐‘• ๐‘ฉ ๐‘•๐‘’๐‘ฆ๐‘ค ๐‘ฒ๐‘ฅ ๐‘‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ฒ๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘‘ ๐‘๐‘ฎ๐‘จ๐‘’๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘• ๐‘š๐‘ณ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฎ๐‘บ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ ๐‘ณ๐‘ž๐‘ผ๐‘ข๐‘ฒ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฒ๐‘‘ ๐‘š๐‘ฎ๐‘ฐ๐‘“ ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘ณ๐‘“ ๐‘ฎ๐‘ด๐‘‘๐‘• ๐‘‘ ๐‘š ๐‘•๐‘ด ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘’๐‘ค๐‘ฒ๐‘ฏ๐‘›.
Spent months pair-building a full telecom BSS with an AI. The surprise wasn't the code โ€” it was that the real job became verification. The AI read 450 tokens for every 1 it wrote. Turns out building honestly is mostly re-reading. #opensourcebssnotesfollow