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@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostlywrote:
Is open source dead? Everyone has the power now to make their own stacks of things. The people aspect of open source is dead or dying. I don't think the bunny is going back in the box.
@chanuxprofilefollowI ain't no nothing!replied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
One nice thing about Open Source (at least for me) is different people doing the same thing in different ways and one of those happen to suit my taste perfectly. And in many cases, I won't be able to come with it myself even with Super Intelligence.
@paulprofilefollowadamspaul.short.gy/notesreplied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
Evgeny Morozov has pointed out that using ai through chat interfaces is based on an individualised and privatised model, which (heavily paraphrased) is inherently anti-social. With an extra layer now of people making small personalised tools, do bigger things still need teams of people who know what theyโ€™re doing? FWIW Iโ€™d like to see more sharing of vibe coded tools instead of everyone making their own more less the same ones. Mine are here: pauladams.neocities.org
@gruntprofilefollowI am just a grain of sand on your beach. www.gruntsoft.comreplied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
I don't think so. I have been using more open source software than ever before. You may argue that with LLMs I have the power to make my own stack of things, but this doesn't eliminate that I still need knowledge to properly steer an LLM to create something worthwhile. If I have no knowledge of what I intend to build, the best thing the LLM will generate is a half-assed copy of something that already exists. Which is what we have been drowning in the past couple of years.
@gruntprofilefollowI am just a grain of sand on your beach. www.gruntsoft.comcontinued:
AI can be a superpower in the hands of someone knowledgeable. That makes the people aspect of open source more important, not less. If you offload your curiosity and desire to learn to AI, you will be a slave to it's limitations instead of being a master of its capabilities.
@hippo๐Ÿฆ›profilefollowStrictly no LLMs. No exceptions.replied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
Of course not. I think it is much more relevant to ask "Is closed source dead?". Anyone can now replace a proprietary program with a vibeslopped alternative which might suit them just as well. It will have the same level of trust (ie. none) and none of the other drawbacks.
@catastrofer๐ŸฅธprofilefollowJust another AI guywrote:
I need to re wire my brain a bit. Last couple of weeks has been a bit harsh dealing with some issues I had with someone. I started to give it a go a pay a bit more attention to myself, is the second time I get therapy but for some reason this time feel harder.
@honey_ohs๐ŸฅทprofilefollowSoftware engineer. [Reluctant] Salesforce dev. Salesforceโ€™s biggest hater. stephenlf.devstephenlf.devImportant Thingswrote:
Whatโ€™s the difference between a script-kiddy and a real #developernotesfollow? Abstraction. You can program your whole life without learning how to meaningfully abstract problems into simpler pieces that TRULY make the problem easier to understand. Iโ€™m not talking about design patterns or #OOPnotesfollow vs #FPnotesfollow. These tools can help. But to really simplify something for others, you need an intellectual empathy that many simply never figure out.
@bobbyprofilefollowwrote:
just finished the book โ€œThis is what inequality looks likeโ€ by Teo You Yenn. will gather my thoughts and write more about it.
@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.wrote:
So much present tense in #ainotesfollow generated prose. Terse, authoritative sentences, without breathing room, without hesitation or qualification. It jumps off the page, and not in a good way.
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.:
What about the lack of density to paragraphs, the length of the sentences, or the confidence and determinism of their direction? Conviction with no limits. So reliably repetitive that you start seeing patterns as if you are looking and reading a record player with some scratches on it. Skips. Squeaks. Repeats. Yet. It gets the job done.
@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.replied to@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.:
Yet. It gets the job done. Here's where we disagree. Using these tools as part of the job, certainly. But if I am to read, discern meaning, analyze choices of diction and structure, consider the context both of the author and the audience, and finally derive value from the written word, then generative #ainotesfollow falls short on many levels. If the "job" is to produce something no one was ever intending to engage with, then we have a more fundamental question about the value of the job.
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.:
Maybe what I messaged read as a disagreement and mentioning that they get the job done was actually not about producing prose (of any quality). I wholeheartedly agreed and still agree with you. Getting the job done was more about producing output - be it some prose, images, videos, software, whatever. They do generate output. It is not to say that the output is meaningful or meaningless. Some souls do enjoy it. Some others - donโ€™t. I did start with a question though.
@prophetorit๐Ÿ’งprofilefollowgrand and intoxicating innocence always onlinewrote:
OMG THIS TOHRU ADACHI GUY IS SO CUTE OMG!!! OMG!!!! ( ๊ฉœ///๊ฉœ;)โญ โญ
@hellodaviddev๐Ÿคชprofilefollowdev, programming, going off vibes and coffee hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.wrote:
How do you define #AInotesfollow slop in relation to #codingnotesfollow? For me, it is how quickly you get to an unmaintainable state- the acceleration into something that becomes difficult to work. I talk more about it here: hellodavid.dev/blog/slop #Softwarenotesfollow #Developmentnotesfollow
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowreplied to@hellodaviddev๐Ÿคชprofilefollowdev, programming, going off vibes and coffee hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.:
Not that I think we're close to a canonical definition (as if we'll ever all agree on one) but my team has defacto adopted the definition of code that the developer responsible for it doesn't understand, approve of and essentially has now honestly reviewed. Basically anything which leads to cognitive debt.
@hellodaviddev๐Ÿคชprofilefollowdev, programming, going off vibes and coffee hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.replied to@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollow:
I agree, I don't think that there will ever be one canonical definition, but I like this definition as well, as it places the onus on the actual person creating the slop. Thank you for sharing!
@catastrofer๐ŸฅธprofilefollowJust another AI guywrote:
I think I may be use this for now to spill out my guts a bit. Set out boundaries guys. I was basically ignoring how important that is, whatever is at work, family, relations. Be loved being you, you don't have to meet any expectations beyond yours.
@edwin๐Ÿ˜ฌprofilefollowwrote:
been building a voice first os using jev and some small voice models. I'm surprised how well it's working and I'm very close to the point where I can go into a feedback mode and tell it what behavior I want changed, it will spin up Claude or codex inside itself and setup the build to restart itself and continue with new code. tempted to let it build itself completely
@eatziprofilefollowEat, drink, listen to ๐ŸŽถ, & watch the fish. Occasionally cook.wrote:
There is beauty in simplicity. Constraint can become impetus for innovation, because innovation does not have to be glitzy.
@miqโ˜•profilefollowEternal disciple of impostor syndrome โˆ™ Perth, WA.replied to@eatziprofilefollowEat, drink, listen to ๐ŸŽถ, & watch the fish. Occasionally cook.:
Word! It's a travesty that complexity seems to be lauded and rewarded over simplicity.
@tel๐Ÿ˜ดprofilefollowI really enjoy learning, I really enjoy making. I'm learning to be less guarded.replied to@eatziprofilefollowEat, drink, listen to ๐ŸŽถ, & watch the fish. Occasionally cook.:
My favorite innovations in my own work -- and to be honest, I'd prefer to call them "discoveries" -- came from simplification. There's a beautiful moment when a stack of difficult, conflicting ideas collapse into a tighter, simpler structure.
@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.wrote:
Problem solving: Two steps forward, two steps forward, two steps forward... Coyote, look down.