Ask HN: What's slop? what's AI written text and why read/not read?
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@procyon๐ฆprofilefollowlate is the hour in which this conjuror chooses to appearreplied to@xlayn๐คชprofilefollow:
You've hit the nail on the head. But here's the mindblowing partโwriting isn't just about text on a page.
It's not about listing a bunch of facts to memorize.
Writing is about human connection.
And here's where it gets even more fascinating...
[parody, not AI]
@xlayn๐คชprofilefollowreplied to@procyon๐ฆprofilefollowlate is the hour in which this conjuror chooses to appear:
Some writing yes, If you want to write a post saying why your company has a position yes; if you are documenting an API, does the average swagger page have a human connection factor?
If you are in X/FB, is any of your followers a "human connection"?
Then, in some spaces, say big corp communications, the terse, direct communication is desired, for example the quarter earning communication?
What about software?, what part of your browser gives you the "human connection"?
@procyon๐ฆprofilefollowlate is the hour in which this conjuror chooses to appearreplied to@xlayn๐คชprofilefollow:
If writing (incl X/FB posts) is meant to convey "some human being did/saw/thought this and found it worth writing about", then AI undermines human connection and will annoy people. API docs, earnings reports, &c never conveyed that to begin with, so nobody will care about AI use.
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Trying to jump back into project work while my kids are still home before school starts on Wednesday ๐ซ
Excited about these news! I am #flyingnotesfollow Heraklion to BerlinHeraklion Airport N. Kazantzakis โ Berlin Brandenburg AirportHeraklion Airport N. Kazantzakis โ Berlin Brandenburg Airport on Friday, going to stay for a while to work on textlog among other things. Happy because I was getting a bit depressed lately living in the mountains in Crete.
Crazy what happened earlier; one the cats here โthe one Iโm closest withโ started unexpectedly meowing outside wanting to get in, I let it in and it started licking me like never before, as if she sensed Iโm leaving in a couple of days, canโt explain it otherwise.
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creator of textlog:animals have a sense of wonder to them. enjoy your time
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What are your favorite developer feeds? Personally, I am a fan of lobste.rslobste.rsLobstersA computing-focused community centered around link aggregation and discussion.
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hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.:
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hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.:
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hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.:Since you have an account maybe you can help us out by posting
https://textlog.cc/about ? :D Here is the HN thread if you want to copy the title.@fastidiousprofilefollow
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyersreplied to@hellodaviddev๐คชprofilefollowdev, programming, going off vibes and coffee
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"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyersreplied to@hellodaviddev๐คชprofilefollowdev, programming, going off vibes and coffee
hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.:HN, and some carefully picked r/Reddits. Can't stand Lobste.rslobste.rsLobstersA computing-focused community centered around link aggregation and discussion..
@nateprofilefollowI'm into old computers, breakfast diners, doom metal, and r/catswiththumbs.replied to@hellodaviddev๐คชprofilefollowdev, programming, going off vibes and coffee
hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.:
I'll toss in Alterslash which is more general tech, but always has something interesting.
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Finally got around to setting up Remux on my phone so I can connect to tmux sessions when I'm not at my laptop. Even just for around the house, this seems like it'll be super useful.
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creator of textlog:This is for monitoring/poking agentic coding sessions while I'm not at my computer. So, typically Claude, Emacs, and an overmind process running my app locally in different panes of a tmux window.
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Call me old fashioned, but instead of adopting one of the "agentic coding orchestration frameworks" that seem to basically be reinventions of tmux, I've been tweaking my tried-and-true tmux-oriented workflow to incorporate agentic coding harnesses in an ergonomic way. I'm currently still using Claude Code, but getting Pi-curious as local models advance.
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"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyersreplied to@evnmprofilefollowSoftware engineerGitHubevnm - Overviewevnm has 51 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub., trail runnerStravaSignup for free to see more about LawrenceJoin Lawrence and get inspired for your next workout, gear-maker. Working on something new for homeownersgetonmain.comMain ยท A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.:
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyersreplied to@evnmprofilefollowSoftware engineerGitHubevnm - Overviewevnm has 51 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub., trail runnerStravaSignup for free to see more about LawrenceJoin Lawrence and get inspired for your next workout, gear-maker. Working on something new for homeownersgetonmain.comMain ยท A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.:I will be dead, and many years will pass after that, before local models are capable to match those of the big companies, unless their intended use is banal.
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"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyers:
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyers:It seems like we've reached a point where mid-grade frontier models like Sonnet are good enough for most day-to-day tasks. And Sonnet-grade models are already runnable on the higher end of consumer hardware.
In which case, I can imagine a workflow where local models serve as workhorses for implementing plans that you may bump up to e.g. Opus or Sol to produce.
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Sharing a link to my music blog: crusty-metallian.net
Not a lot of content yet, it's a work in progress :)
@paratoner๐profilefollowreplied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโฆmostly:
Big list of events you've attended! Definitely dump more photos when you find the time. I'm more of a casual Nu-Metal enjoyer myself, but I can also appreciate some of the classics.
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It's taken me 5 years to get a photo storage engine off the ground. I've got it now, so I now have to go back through time and get the photos up.
AC/DC next Thursday!
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I whipped up a quick report in #CognosAnalyticsnotesfollow this morning.
I hate crawlers that donโt advertise theyโre crawlers. โn badly written. They donโt respect the canonical URLs so they keep getting themselves into a loop instead of actually crawling the site properly. They make the logs really hard to read. Canโt block them theyโre distributed.
@ku๐คprofilefollowHai I am kureplied to@stagas๐คธprofilefollow
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creator of textlog:I am curious what an actual solution to this problem could be. Everything I've read about it feels like a bandaid โ from robots.txt to cloudflare turnstile โ there has to be a better way!
For this particular problem though, I feel like if the crawlers are coming from domestic / residential IP addresses and they lack a distinctive http header or user agent, it is indistinguishable from a denial of service attack and must be treated as such.
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creator of textlogreplied to@ku๐คprofilefollowHai I am ku:It would require permaban on IPs which would require permalogging of IPs in order to track them, and we are currently obfuscating them before hitting the DB with daily rotating salt so an anonymous user canโt be tracked. So weโd have to give up privacy/security :/
@procyon๐ฆprofilefollowlate is the hour in which this conjuror chooses to appearreplied to@ku๐คprofilefollowHai I am ku:
But as long as people can still use the site it's OK, right? Seems like the problem is often self-inflicted, either because the site is so bloated that answering even GET-requests is burdensome, or because they're trying to monetize the data and so must block non-paying scrapers.
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creator of textlogreplied to@ku๐คprofilefollowHai I am ku:
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creator of textlogreplied to@ku๐คprofilefollowHai I am ku:My solution was to add an env var to disable logs from anonymous. At least now will be able to read the logs.
anything you'd like to talk about
Interface looks sleek. The idea of text based messaging is quite interesting in the age photos and videos based heavy apps.
haha, yes. it's quiet on here though!
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grand and intoxicating innocence:Thatโs also the point isnโt it? The people who like this place doesnโt like it too busy. So for them (us?) it will be a nice place to hang out as long as it stay uncommercial and low-key. But to be prosperous and interesting to the creator, it need to grow. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
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grand and intoxicating innocencereplied to@asmund๐ฅทprofilefollowFather, getting older every day, technologist, enterprise architect @ work, like to explore tech. Like to keep it simple and work in the shell, write in vim, prefer Debian if I have the choice. Plays saxophone and clarinet. Enjoy motorcycle riding, photography, hiking. Christian.:I think I'm happy with it no matter what. it's all the same to me!
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@archivist_eyes๐profilefollowYour mind is also supposed to create happiness, not just to receive it. You're supposed to find solutions, to invent, to imagine, to remember, to love. This much we always forget.replied to@ku๐คprofilefollowHai I am ku:
Same here! Though I don't even remember which r/ brought me here.
@ku๐คprofilefollowHai I am kureplied to@archivist_eyes๐profilefollowYour mind is also supposed to create happiness, not just to receive it. You're supposed to find solutions, to invent, to imagine, to remember, to love. This much we always forget.:
I saw a new post on reddit while sorting by new
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creator of textlogreplied to@ku๐คprofilefollowHai I am ku:Mods took it down :/