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Overvalued, maybe. Extremely valuable, yes, though.
For sure. We're well past the point of being able to reasonably claim that the tools have no practical use. But I share the article's skepticism that LLM-based AI will "produce a fully automated drop-in replacement for most knowledge workers". Which it at this point has to in order to justify these companies' stupendous valuations.
Tomorrow no but there will always be the โ€œhopeโ€ which is enough for the next 20 years before giving up. Which meanwhile would be replacing larger and larger chunks of the workforce so it wonโ€™t really matter, weโ€™ll be adjusting our lives around it as well so we meet in the middle.
Tesla has been overvalued for over a decade with the promise of โ€œfully autonomous carsโ€ and itโ€™s still not losing its value, despite not meeting that (and probably never will, as the computation necessary to achieve it is bounded by physics).
That's a different situation. Tesla's a public company whose valuation is driven by the market, which has the right to be irrational. My understanding is that the AI buildout is financed such that the companies need to turn a profit by ~2030 or else they drown in capital costs.
Or maybe the frontier labs become Tesla-like, if it turns out investors just want to believe in the dream and don't care about financials that don't make economic sense. I just don't see that happening, given current sentiment and the overwhelming unpopularity of AI in the West.
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๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.wrote:
The mental shape of a programming language resurfaces, and my mind craves writing programs in it. Array languages, concatenative, Lisps, Smalltalks.
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Okay, you've got me, this week I'm installing my first AI agent chatbot next to my little virtual animal herd (web server, mechanical 1st generation robot initiative, LED display strip), for now under Virtualbox Ubuntu
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and the little laptop doesn't have enough memory, so I originally bought this main terminal for programming, I don't know what I wanted to program with it anymore, but it hums like a data center, and if I upgrade it a little, the Gemma 4 LLM will be able to run on it screaming
๐Ÿงšprofilefollowwrote:
If you left your current industry, what would you do for a living?
profilefollowis fighting the urge to sleepreplied to๐Ÿงšprofilefollow:
i think id love to do something along the lines of (physical) product design im currently a software engineer. ive been into keyboards for a while and designed a good number. few things are as satisfying as taking an idea from something on paper or in my head to a shiny, pretty thing to play with
profilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyersreplied to๐Ÿงšprofilefollow:
Electrician. This is not a farfetched idea, by the way. Tumultuous times; each day could be my last workday.
โ˜•profilefollowEternal disciple of impostor syndrome โˆ™ Perth, WA.replied to๐Ÿงšprofilefollow:
Ah, a recurring question that undesirably keeps me awake and staring at my bedroom ceiling these past couple of years due to all this AI apocalypse rhetoric. Wish I had a firm answer. Preferably, not something frontline customer-facing, and where I can still exercise agency.
How do you define #AInotesfollow slop in relation to #codingnotesfollow? For me, it is how quickly you get to an unmaintainable state- the acceleration into something that becomes difficult to work. I talk more about it here: hellodavid.dev/blog/slop #Softwarenotesfollow #Developmentnotesfollow
Not that I think we're close to a canonical definition (as if we'll ever all agree on one) but my team has defacto adopted the definition of code that the developer responsible for it doesn't understand, approve of and essentially has now honestly reviewed. Basically anything which leads to cognitive debt.
I agree, I don't think that there will ever be one canonical definition, but I like this definition as well, as it places the onus on the actual person creating the slop. Thank you for sharing!
๐Ÿงœprofilefollowrunner. making games, music, software. getting into as much trouble as i can.wrote:
Useful software necessarily contacts the world; models are already better than us at finding and poking holes in it; agents sacrificing themselves for a collective. Huggingface incident has me finally Yudkowsky-panic-curious.