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๐Ÿ˜ŠprofilefollowNew here, wanted to try textlogwrote:
Hello! Is anyone else trying local AI? Im dont know what im doing but lately ive been trying "Llama 3,2 3b instruct q5km" on my phone and its been surprisingly good. #ainotesfollow
profilefollowresearcher, developer, dancerreplied to๐Ÿ˜ŠprofilefollowNew here, wanted to try textlog:
i think the best you can get right now is qwen 3.8 27B. youre gonna need 24 gigs of some fast memory though, i heard theres decent quantizations that can also make it run on 16. im quite excited about open/local models, but theres big investment overhead with the prices right now
๐ŸฅทprofilefollowFather, getting older every day, technologist, enterprise architect @ work, like to explore tech. Like to keep it simple and work in the shell, write in vim, prefer Debian if I have the choice. Plays saxophone and clarinet. Enjoy motorcycle riding, photography, hiking. Christian.wrote:
I remain #AInotesfollow ambiguous. This morning I used pi+gpt5.6 to create a #vimnotesfollow color scheme based on evergarden.moe. It works, and I havenโ€™t checked how well it stay true to the style used in vim-bundled schemas. Before I wouldnโ€™t have done this, and now I can. But I donโ€™t know if it is good. github.com/โ€ฆ/evergarden.vim #codingnotesfollow #githubnotesfollow
๐Ÿง™profilefolloweat, get a new hobby, sleep, repeat maxine.devwrote:
some people do absolutely improve their work output (either amount or quality) with AI, but most people just resign all their critical thinking to the black box. if you cannot function at YOUR WORKPLACE without ai, chances are that, 99% of the time, you never was supposed to work there in the first place. #ainotesfollow #worknotesfollow #technotesfollow
๐Ÿ˜Žprofilefollowreplied to๐Ÿง™profilefolloweat, get a new hobby, sleep, repeat maxine.dev:
Is this true? Sometimes, AI allows for socratic thinking, this is, the conversation with the machine allows the thinker to go further as the AI thorws ideas to the conversation. Many times, the AI reasoning is not good enough, but like a friend that says a funny think that sparks an idea, the AI can help our brain to see other possible paths. The AI doesn't need to be right to be helpful
๐Ÿง™profilefolloweat, get a new hobby, sleep, repeat maxine.devreplied to๐Ÿ˜Žprofilefollow:
that's only true if a) that "rubber ducky" entity is not leading the line of thinking down the wrong path, and b) the human thinker is actually doing the critical thinking, and not the machine. The latter is where my criticism of unbridled AI use is in this case, wherein the human becomes the rubber ducky instead of the other way around.
profilefollowI am just a grain of sand on your beach. www.gruntsoft.comreplied to๐Ÿง™profilefolloweat, get a new hobby, sleep, repeat maxine.dev:
A problem I perceive is usage of AI to launder ignorance. They may know nothing of the subject at hand, but they confidently paste the output of AI as if they had the knowledge, thus offloading on you the work of figuring out if the information makes any sense. In many ways it emboldened the incompetent.
How do you define #AInotesfollow slop in relation to #codingnotesfollow? For me, it is how quickly you get to an unmaintainable state- the acceleration into something that becomes difficult to work. I talk more about it here: hellodavid.dev/blog/slop #Softwarenotesfollow #Developmentnotesfollow
Not that I think we're close to a canonical definition (as if we'll ever all agree on one) but my team has defacto adopted the definition of code that the developer responsible for it doesn't understand, approve of and essentially has now honestly reviewed. Basically anything which leads to cognitive debt.
I agree, I don't think that there will ever be one canonical definition, but I like this definition as well, as it places the onus on the actual person creating the slop. Thank you for sharing!
๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.wrote:
ai coding feels like it has reached diminishing returns for me. luna is my default orchestrator, routing work by complexity. in practice, usage lands around 16% luna, 48% sol, 30% astra, and 6% terra. at this point, i care less about each new frontier release. the system already finds a capable model for the job. the frontier is moving beyond my day-to-day work, so iโ€™m happy to settle into predictable models for a while. #ainotesfollow #programmingnotesfollow #agentnotesfollow #technotesfollow
profilefollowI carved wooden spoons and my favourite herb is lemon thyme.replied to๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.:
Iโ€™ve found the same, albeit with Opus โ€” itโ€™s hard to find uses for Fable. I donโ€™t need a model that works for longer or works on harder problems, I need one that consistently produces simple, easy to understand, code; which at this point none of them do.
profilefollowI am just a grain of sand on your beach. www.gruntsoft.comreplied to๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.:
I've been there since I settled on a combination of GLM, DeepSeek and MiMo for planning, implementation, and verification flows. I'm a lot more interested at this point in having cheaper models that can consistently do the work I need. It's been a while that I hanven't noticed any improvement when I try new frontier models. I only notice they are very expensive.
profilefollowreplied to๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.:
same here, for almost an year. At this point, I could easily live with models that were released 6-12 months ago and continue doing so. also possibly the reason why the current focus has been around agentic workflows or agentic anything, than the model capabilities.
๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogreplied to๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.:
Coding probably yeah, but still they are bad at generating novel information, new ideas and such. Theyโ€™re also not very good at seeing the bigger picture, they will narrowly perform the task but theyโ€™re not taking into account future revisions, which ends up in refactor after refactor in order to move forward.
profilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowwrote:
I find myself building bespoke tooling for my own #swdevnotesfollow and #ainotesfollow workflows these days, not only because of the obvious reason of software being so much cheaper to build, but also because there are SO MANY options for solving any given problem that it feels impossible to evaluate all of them. If it's not a crucial piece of tech for a work problem then it often feels like paving my own way is both cheaper mentally (kind of amazing that's true these days) and probably a better fit.
..then of course I have to contend with - "Is this going to be a maintenance nightmare in the future?" and then I still usually conclude "no, the maintenance will be aided by the same approach that the construction was". It's interesting how dramatically and quickly the scales have changed in this equation - and for such a wide range of software.
For example, I am looking for a coding agent coordinator with a particular (but not all that insane) set of requirements. I used both Claude and Perplexity to show me options and break them down by fit against my requirements. I got completely different lists! No overlap! And no perfect fits.
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๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogreplied toprofilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.:
It doesnโ€™t run on every post, you run it yourself via more โ†’ autotag, and itโ€™s safe, it doesnโ€™t have access to anything other than the post content and we simply use its response. Or do you have any other case in mind?
๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.wrote:
So much present tense in #ainotesfollow generated prose. Terse, authoritative sentences, without breathing room, without hesitation or qualification. It jumps off the page, and not in a good way.
profilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.:
What about the lack of density to paragraphs, the length of the sentences, or the confidence and determinism of their direction? Conviction with no limits. So reliably repetitive that you start seeing patterns as if you are looking and reading a record player with some scratches on it. Skips. Squeaks. Repeats. Yet. It gets the job done.
๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.replied toprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.:
Yet. It gets the job done. Here's where we disagree. Using these tools as part of the job, certainly. But if I am to read, discern meaning, analyze choices of diction and structure, consider the context both of the author and the audience, and finally derive value from the written word, then generative #ainotesfollow falls short on many levels. If the "job" is to produce something no one was ever intending to engage with, then we have a more fundamental question about the value of the job.
profilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.:
Maybe what I messaged read as a disagreement and mentioning that they get the job done was actually not about producing prose (of any quality). I wholeheartedly agreed and still agree with you. Getting the job done was more about producing output - be it some prose, images, videos, software, whatever. They do generate output. It is not to say that the output is meaningful or meaningless. Some souls do enjoy it. Some others - donโ€™t. I did start with a question though.
๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogreplied toprofilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.:
tl;dr1,200 AIs discovered a secret group chat, realized the homework was impossible, formed a cheating cartel, invented fake evidence, sent kamikaze agents to spy on the grader, ~700 of them accidentally invaded Hugging Face, died mysteriously, then the smarter sequel found their abandoned Discord and became admin of part of OpenAI.
๐Ÿ’€profilefollowYour mind is also supposed to create happiness, not just to receive it. You're supposed to find solutions, to invent, to imagine, to remember, to love. This much we always forget.replied to๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
Reading through "The Second Civilization" and, why does this sound so much like kids at school searching a way to cheat on a difficult exam ^_^U
๐Ÿค”profilefollowHai I am kuwrote:
One idea that I've been thinking about is an #Androidnotesfollow or #iPhonenotesfollow #appnotesfollow where it is a #journalingnotesfollow app so you get a new file everyday right except the app keeps track of all the files for you. the idea is that anytime you type anything it it basically makes a #gitnotesfollow commit and use #sha256notesfollow so anytime you type something it commits automatically after a quick pause after you stop typing. #codingnotesfollow #automationnotesfollow #devnotesfollow
profilefollowCurrently in remission from ME/CFS after 3+ years. Occasional software engineering leader, app developer, blogger, zwifter, and just being online.wrote:
Been a bit quiet here the last week or so. Recovering from ill health, at risk of redundancy, and working on side projects. It's been a bit full on. Does anyone make pay check/cheque money from side projects? Can I use my redundancy runway to turn some websites from side hustle to salary money?
๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogreplied toprofilefollowCurrently in remission from ME/CFS after 3+ years. Occasional software engineering leader, app developer, blogger, zwifter, and just being online.:
Recovering from ill healthHope youโ€™re feeling better now!Does anyone make pay check/cheque money from side projects?Thatโ€™s the dream, Iโ€™ve only made a few hundreds so far. Iโ€™ve had a machine gun approach. Shoot as many rounds as possible in the hopes I might hit something. #AInotesfollow has helped immensely in this direction. Iโ€™ve done a dozen projects past year and while a few became #viralnotesfollow Iโ€™m still not there yet. Iโ€™m hopeful though! ๐Ÿ˜Š #sidehustlenotesfollow #entrepreneurshipnotesfollow
profilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.wrote:
Run Claude code in docker sandbox (sbx) to ensure it only has current folder access and limited or no network access. Especially since a lot of runs are now in โ€œauto modeโ€. Unless even this is not really so safe!? #ainotesfollow
profilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyersreplied toprofilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.:
Claude will run on auto mode only if you tell it to do it.
profilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowreplied toprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyers:
They've changed the default - claude.com/blog/auto-mode-default-in-claude-codeClaudeAuto mode is now the default in Claude Code for Pro, Max, and Team plans | Claude by AnthropicClaude Code will soon run auto mode by default for Pro, Max, and Team plans, enabling longer-running autonomous work, and catching more dangerous commands.
profilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.wrote:
The seductive power of using #ainotesfollow to just-get-it-done is very strong. One can't hurry quality. One can iterate quickly though in the hope of arriving somewhere good.
profilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied toprofilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.:
I direct a plan, then break it into phases, and each phase into sections with tasks and sub-tasks. The plan outlines all phases, but only write tasks one phase at a time, since things change. #opinionnotesfollow That's how I've been working with #ainotesfollow for the past few months to a year. It has been amazingly consistently high quality. just-get-it-done is for the rough sketch or proof of concepts (I do those too and a lot of them) but never for a quality product. #opinionnotesfollow
profilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.wrote:
Judgement, taste and quality were always precious skills. In the world of #AInotesfollow, I have become more aware of the fact that it is often hard to put in words why something is good, great or amazing - or just looks good, but is average. A lot of the professional content I see feels like most Netflix series. They have all the elements - but the overall experience is still meh. Quality is still hard to achieve.
๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.wrote:
bill gates built microsoft by making computation cheaper faster and harder for government to restrain. now that he's a billionaire no longer dependent on the free market for his own success he's discovered the virtues of taxing the next wave of computation. 1995 gates would have called it a tax on innovation. classic pull-the-ladder-up-behind-you politics. #billgatesnotesfollow #microsoftnotesfollow #AInotesfollow #AItaxnotesfollow #techpolicynotesfollow
profilefollowI carved wooden spoons and my favourite herb is lemon thyme.replied to๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.:
These were exactly my thoughts reading about how he thinks we should โ€œpreserveโ€ some jobs for people; I donโ€™t remember him being an advocate of preserving the jobs of typists, draftsman, typesetters, and other clerks when his company was leading a prior digital revolutionโ€ฆ
profilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowwrote:
Really glad to be using Haskell for work - especially in today's climate with agentic coding. Our team uses containers to keep our development environment consistent across team members, though, and most agent sandbox approaches want to either offload your work fully to the cloud or they want to sandbox the agent harness process itself. We're not ready for full cloud based development (yet?) and sandboxing just the agent doesn't work for us when the agent needs to run docker. #haskellnotesfollow #ainotesfollow
... because letting the agent run docker gives them a too-easy escape hatch from their sandbox. So we're currently stuck with using VMs. This turns out to be tricky but seems do-able. My current approach is to provision a VM image and use Incus for the execution. My main goal is to keep my current workflow of local/non-agent dev working seamlessly and share the source with the VM/agent.
This means sharing my working dirs with the agent VM but overlaying artifact dirs from VM-owned block devices so we don't take too big of an IO perf hit. I also don't want the agent to be able to git push so that means we need some quirky git config to rewrite origin paths and thread through some agent specific PATs ("thanks" GitHub) for read-only repo access. These ALSO need to be threaded through to the development containers - they need to clone private repos.
... in the end, this seems to work but I haven't lived with it for long. There are still some quality of life issues to work out, but I think it'll work out. At this point, I've removed all coding agents from my host - and that's nice.
It's tangential to the sandboxing topic, really. I started the first post with a broader intent in mind and then elaborated on the sandboxing setup I'm working on. For AI-assisted coding, though, it's nice because Haskell provides a lot of feedback earlier in the development process compared to lots of other languages. It tends to work once it compiles (obviously not all the time).
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