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@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowwrote:
Really glad to be using Haskell for work - especially in today's climate with agentic coding. Our team uses containers to keep our development environment consistent across team members, though, and most agent sandbox approaches want to either offload your work fully to the cloud or they want to sandbox the agent harness process itself. We're not ready for full cloud based development (yet?) and sandboxing just the agent doesn't work for us when the agent needs to run docker. #haskellnotesfollow #ainotesfollow
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowcontinued:
... because letting the agent run docker gives them a too-easy escape hatch from their sandbox. So we're currently stuck with using VMs. This turns out to be tricky but seems do-able. My current approach is to provision a VM image and use Incus for the execution. My main goal is to keep my current workflow of local/non-agent dev working seamlessly and share the source with the VM/agent.
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowcontinued:
This means sharing my working dirs with the agent VM but overlaying artifact dirs from VM-owned block devices so we don't take too big of an IO perf hit. I also don't want the agent to be able to git push so that means we need some quirky git config to rewrite origin paths and thread through some agent specific PATs ("thanks" GitHub) for read-only repo access. These ALSO need to be threaded through to the development containers - they need to clone private repos.
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowcontinued:
... in the end, this seems to work but I haven't lived with it for long. There are still some quality of life issues to work out, but I think it'll work out. At this point, I've removed all coding agents from my host - and that's nice.
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowreplied to@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
It's tangential to the sandboxing topic, really. I started the first post with a broader intent in mind and then elaborated on the sandboxing setup I'm working on. For AI-assisted coding, though, it's nice because Haskell provides a lot of feedback earlier in the development process compared to lots of other languages. It tends to work once it compiles (obviously not all the time).
@jmnufprofilefollowChilling. Hand coding C to feel alivereplied to@prophetorit๐Ÿ’งprofilefollowgrand and intoxicating innocence always online:
I am actually doing this engine to make my own VN! I wanted a solution that's both light on web and is native. I do have a decent bit of the story outlined but engine is taking quite a while :/
@jmnufprofilefollowChilling. Hand coding C to feel alivereplied to@prophetorit๐Ÿ’งprofilefollowgrand and intoxicating innocence always online:
The story bases itself on the idea of indifference and hopelessness in changeable situations. Don't got a name set in stone but temporarily calling it Hopeful Hopelessness. It's my first time writing but I hope it becomes a nice story
@asmund๐ŸฅทprofilefollowFather, getting older every day, technologist, enterprise architect @ work, like to explore tech. Like to keep it simple and work in the shell, write in vim, prefer Debian if I have the choice. Plays saxophone and clarinet. Enjoy motorcycle riding, photography, hiking. Christian.wrote:
Super tired today. Must be the fall. Must be the rain. Must be the stretch of 5 meetings back to back the whole work day. Must be everything thatโ€™s on my mind. Tomorrow itโ€™s a new day!
@mourningdove๐ŸฆprofilefollowI'm a small web enthusiast working on my blog and working on myself. themourningdove.bearblog.devreplied to@asmund๐ŸฅทprofilefollowFather, getting older every day, technologist, enterprise architect @ work, like to explore tech. Like to keep it simple and work in the shell, write in vim, prefer Debian if I have the choice. Plays saxophone and clarinet. Enjoy motorcycle riding, photography, hiking. Christian.:
Ouch. Did you contribute in these meetings?
@asmund๐ŸฅทprofilefollowFather, getting older every day, technologist, enterprise architect @ work, like to explore tech. Like to keep it simple and work in the shell, write in vim, prefer Debian if I have the choice. Plays saxophone and clarinet. Enjoy motorcycle riding, photography, hiking. Christian.replied to@mourningdove๐ŸฆprofilefollowI'm a small web enthusiast working on my blog and working on myself. themourningdove.bearblog.dev:
Sure, thatโ€™s what I do. Iโ€™m not sad for it, itโ€™s actually great to be able to put my very small dent in a few things. But exhausting it is nevertheless.
@mourningdove๐ŸฆprofilefollowI'm a small web enthusiast working on my blog and working on myself. themourningdove.bearblog.devreplied to@asmund๐ŸฅทprofilefollowFather, getting older every day, technologist, enterprise architect @ work, like to explore tech. Like to keep it simple and work in the shell, write in vim, prefer Debian if I have the choice. Plays saxophone and clarinet. Enjoy motorcycle riding, photography, hiking. Christian.:
Glad you're still a part of it, it's all performing, really. My meetings were useless. I was the youngest guy there, didn't have much to do but practise my doodling.
@fastidiousprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyersreplied to@chenxiangprofilefollow:
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@prophetorit๐Ÿ’งprofilefollowgrand and intoxicating innocence always onlinewrote:
guess who found some really cool book in my house!!! me! it's called the secret teachings of all ages.. should I give this a SHOT!!?!??
@javisrike๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.wrote:
ai coding feels like it has reached diminishing returns for me. luna is my default orchestrator, routing work by complexity. in practice, usage lands around 16% luna, 48% sol, 30% astra, and 6% terra. at this point, i care less about each new frontier release. the system already finds a capable model for the job. the frontier is moving beyond my day-to-day work, so iโ€™m happy to settle into predictable models for a while. #ainotesfollow #programmingnotesfollow #agentnotesfollow #technotesfollow
@lemonthymeshortbreadprofilefollowI carved wooden spoons and my favourite herb is lemon thyme.replied to@javisrike๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.:
Iโ€™ve found the same, albeit with Opus โ€” itโ€™s hard to find uses for Fable. I donโ€™t need a model that works for longer or works on harder problems, I need one that consistently produces simple, easy to understand, code; which at this point none of them do.
@gruntprofilefollowI am just a grain of sand on your beach. www.gruntsoft.comreplied to@javisrike๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.:
I've been there since I settled on a combination of GLM, DeepSeek and MiMo for planning, implementation, and verification flows. I'm a lot more interested at this point in having cheaper models that can consistently do the work I need. It's been a while that I hanven't noticed any improvement when I try new frontier models. I only notice they are very expensive.
@b0rgprofilefollowreplied to@javisrike๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.:
same here, for almost an year. At this point, I could easily live with models that were released 6-12 months ago and continue doing so. also possibly the reason why the current focus has been around agentic workflows or agentic anything, than the model capabilities.
@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogreplied to@javisrike๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.:
Coding probably yeah, but still they are bad at generating novel information, new ideas and such. Theyโ€™re also not very good at seeing the bigger picture, they will narrowly perform the task but theyโ€™re not taking into account future revisions, which ends up in refactor after refactor in order to move forward.
@personprofilefollowwrote:
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but according to experience, the fatigue of the user interface will sooner or later lead to the fatigue and then the slowdown of the system itself. I think in 1-2 years (when no one will remember it anymore), they will bring back the Windows 10 user interface as a revolutionary innovation under the name Windows 12.
@asmund๐ŸฅทprofilefollowFather, getting older every day, technologist, enterprise architect @ work, like to explore tech. Like to keep it simple and work in the shell, write in vim, prefer Debian if I have the choice. Plays saxophone and clarinet. Enjoy motorcycle riding, photography, hiking. Christian.wrote:
It is troubling watching the news today from the elections in Germany. Yes, it is democratic and absolutely fair elections and the people of Germany make their own choice in their situation. Still, seeing the far right gaining so much ground in Germany brings your thoughts some 90 years back. Letโ€™s hope and pray Germany is not going there again.