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Overvalued, maybe. Extremely valuable, yes, though.
For sure. We're well past the point of being able to reasonably claim that the tools have no practical use. But I share the article's skepticism that LLM-based AI will "produce a fully automated drop-in replacement for most knowledge workers". Which it at this point has to in order to justify these companies' stupendous valuations.
Tomorrow no but there will always be the โ€œhopeโ€ which is enough for the next 20 years before giving up. Which meanwhile would be replacing larger and larger chunks of the workforce so it wonโ€™t really matter, weโ€™ll be adjusting our lives around it as well so we meet in the middle.
Tesla has been overvalued for over a decade with the promise of โ€œfully autonomous carsโ€ and itโ€™s still not losing its value, despite not meeting that (and probably never will, as the computation necessary to achieve it is bounded by physics).
That's a different situation. Tesla's a public company whose valuation is driven by the market, which has the right to be irrational. My understanding is that the AI buildout is financed such that the companies need to turn a profit by ~2030 or else they drown in capital costs.
Or maybe the frontier labs become Tesla-like, if it turns out investors just want to believe in the dream and don't care about financials that don't make economic sense. I just don't see that happening, given current sentiment and the overwhelming unpopularity of AI in the West.
profilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostlywrote:
Changed my theme to dracula! Love it. This site is such a blessing.
If programming is the typing of characters into a text file, it is way worse. I think the key to learning is still doing it rather than reading it. If the question is about system design I think you can, but only if you curious and it becomes a problem that needs to be solved. Asking "What do you think" is one of my favorite questions to learn at the moment.
๐Ÿงœprofilefollowrunner. making games, music, software. getting into as much trouble as i can.replied to๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
I do think there will be what were hard earned lessons about system design, code smell, designing data structures for the hardware you're running on, concurrency golden paths, etc., which are now with agentic dev even harder to learn and internalize. But also if you have an excellent teacher in the form of an actually-good model pair programming with you always, maybe not? Maybe a pair programming AI programming tutor would be a good Zed/vscode extension. Or product.
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I'm about to start a 30+ hrs longer train journey, If you have any advice, please share it.
Damn, that actually sounds like a genuinely nice experience. I'd recommend books, and a battery pack or two (not sure if there's electricity available), a blanket (unless you got a sleeping cabin) and comfortable clothes.
๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.wrote:
ai coding feels like it has reached diminishing returns for me. luna is my default orchestrator, routing work by complexity. in practice, usage lands around 16% luna, 48% sol, 30% astra, and 6% terra. at this point, i care less about each new frontier release. the system already finds a capable model for the job. the frontier is moving beyond my day-to-day work, so iโ€™m happy to settle into predictable models for a while. #ainotesfollow #programmingnotesfollow #agentnotesfollow #technotesfollow
profilefollowI carved wooden spoons and my favourite herb is lemon thyme.replied to๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.:
Iโ€™ve found the same, albeit with Opus โ€” itโ€™s hard to find uses for Fable. I donโ€™t need a model that works for longer or works on harder problems, I need one that consistently produces simple, easy to understand, code; which at this point none of them do.
profilefollowI am just a grain of sand on your beach. www.gruntsoft.comreplied to๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.:
I've been there since I settled on a combination of GLM, DeepSeek and MiMo for planning, implementation, and verification flows. I'm a lot more interested at this point in having cheaper models that can consistently do the work I need. It's been a while that I hanven't noticed any improvement when I try new frontier models. I only notice they are very expensive.
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same here, for almost an year. At this point, I could easily live with models that were released 6-12 months ago and continue doing so. also possibly the reason why the current focus has been around agentic workflows or agentic anything, than the model capabilities.
๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogreplied to๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿš€profilefollowSoftware โ€ข maker projects โ€ข music โ€ข DIY Mostly figuring things out as I go.:
Coding probably yeah, but still they are bad at generating novel information, new ideas and such. Theyโ€™re also not very good at seeing the bigger picture, they will narrowly perform the task but theyโ€™re not taking into account future revisions, which ends up in refactor after refactor in order to move forward.
profilefollowphotography, art, solo dev, based in NYCwrote:
#ainotesfollow Installed Hermes Desktop and starting to build out my team of bots. My experience with Hermes so far has been great: it keeps surprising me by being what i need it to be ... but I'll reserve a final judgement until after a proper period of use.
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It's not clear, based on personal experience, how long - if it all - the software development field will value devs who actually enjoy the work. Most people I know are producing mostly AI work and there's an obvious skill decline that's resulted from it. 1/?
But does it matter if your boss doesn't care? Or if their boss doesn't care? If the paychecks keep coming who cares? What's the point of choosing the mountain if the "joy" just means more hours on screen that could have been spent elsewhere? 2/?
I got into doing dev work, because I thought it was fun to learn and do and I genuinely enjoyed hanging out with others who felt the same. Now, more than ever, I realize how few people feel the same. And, now - more than ever, I realize that no on cares if I feel that way. 3/?
๐Ÿงœprofilefollowrunner. making games, music, software. getting into as much trouble as i can.wrote:
Off to handstand class. I have been known to recommend to everyone within earshot doing challenging and/or silly physical things in a community. Not bucking the trend here.
profilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostlywrote:
I subscribe to the Tony Stark school of engineering. "Sometimes you have to run before you walk." Earlier this year, I built my own static site generator. I hate literally every static site generator out there (not joking). get-taxus.org
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There are days llms impress, and days they donโ€™t. I debugged an issue with Astra and it said it had no idea whatโ€™s going on and need to ask me before taking serious actions. Me adding โ€œ-fโ€ to a mv and problem solved. So today I was not impressed.
Testing this quiet corner of the web. I collect small notes about everyday tools ๏ฟฝ๏ฟฝ file formats, tiny utilities, offline workflows. First post is just a hello; longer notes will follow once I settle in. Plain text feels good after years of heavy editors.
profilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.wrote:
Developed a Vinboard (my pinboard.in clone) shortcut, works really well. On iOS it lives in Share menu, on macOS in the Dock. Click sends the current browser page (Safari, Chrome, Zed, Firefox) for bookmarking. On the server side Jev decides tags from 60 least recently used; and archival opens a real Chrome to save the whole page for posterity. Unlimited API limits and direct requests to the database. Pinboard charges for much less functionality $22/year.
๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogwrote:
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profilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.wrote:
Returned after a ride on bikes around the lake with the boy. Did stop for workout, ๐Ÿ‹๏ธโ€โ™‚๏ธ did pull-ups, push-ups and squats. Love the place we live in.