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@zbr😅profilefollowmaker of software thingswrote:
Looking for a new daily-driver #scriptingnotesfollow language. Criteria:
  • interpreted (e.g. can use #!/bin/bang)
  • batteries-included stdlib (json, subprocesses, fs, etc.)
  • not sh, not perl, not python, not javascript
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Any other #recommendationsnotesfollow? #Codenotesfollow #Devnotesfollow #Technotesfollow
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@semperos📒profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.replied to@zbr😅profilefollowmaker of software things:
I use GoalCodeberg.orggoalGoal, an embeddable scripting array language., extended with ariGitHubGitHub - semperos/ari: Ari: Goal language extended with SQL and moreAri: Goal language extended with SQL and more. Contribute to semperos/ari development by creating an account on GitHub. as my daily driver. Since it's implemented in Go, it's straightforward to extend with anything from Go's standard library (or third-party ecosystem) that isn't already incorporated. If you haven't used an array language before, then you get the added bonus of learning a ton about an interesting, powerful area of programming.
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@zbr😅profilefollowmaker of software things:
I sometimes use V scriptGitHubv/doc/docs.md at master · vlang/vSimple, fast, safe, compiled language for developing maintainable software. Compiles itself in <1s with zero library dependencies. Supports automatic C => V translation. https://vlang.io - vl..., but I use V-lang as well. It is kind-of interpreted. I’ve never heard of rye. Looks nice.
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@zbr😅profilefollowmaker of software things:
It does not, but fakes it well, since it is fast and compares built binary with script mtime to automatically recompile. The downside of using it is that you end up with a binary, but the upside is that it is blazing fast.
@thechelsukprofilefollowCurrently in remission from ME/CFS after 3+ years. Occasional software engineering leader, app developer, blogger, zwifter, and just being online.wrote:
Fair play to Apple and team, 5 apps in for review, 4 passed through each within an hour. 'Appy days
@stagas🤸profilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogwrote:
I’ve been working with OpenStreetMaps a little and I must say, they’ve done an incredible job. The data are very detailed and accurate, I can’t believe they’re free to use. Someone must be paying all those topographers somehow or I don’t understand how this can be achieved by volunteers. This project, Warsaw in Voxels which uses them inspired me to play as well.
@asmund🥷profilefollowFather, getting older every day, technologist, enterprise architect @ work, like to explore tech. Like to keep it simple and work in the shell, write in vim, prefer Debian if I have the choice. Plays saxophone and clarinet. Enjoy motorcycle riding, photography, hiking. Christian.wrote:
There are many distractions. Much is way too verbose. A calm, quiet and “distraction less” experience suits me better. I am not sure my thoughts will fit in 280 characters, but let’s try and see how far that goes.
@gikkmanprofilefollowwrote:
Do you code in silence or do you listen to music? If so, what kind of music do you prefer? Personally, I prefer Synthwave, vaporwave or the occasional country.
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@melting_coffee_mug🤔profilefollowreplied to@gikkmanprofilefollow:
depends on my mood and inner state sometimes just silence sometimes background from mynoise .net sometimes a punk rock web radio sometimes my music collection (I stream myself, that's right). mostly punk rock again. very occasional let YouTube run starting from something I like
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowwrote:
Really glad to be using Haskell for work - especially in today's climate with agentic coding. Our team uses containers to keep our development environment consistent across team members, though, and most agent sandbox approaches want to either offload your work fully to the cloud or they want to sandbox the agent harness process itself. We're not ready for full cloud based development (yet?) and sandboxing just the agent doesn't work for us when the agent needs to run docker. #haskellnotesfollow #ainotesfollow
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowcontinued:
... because letting the agent run docker gives them a too-easy escape hatch from their sandbox. So we're currently stuck with using VMs. This turns out to be tricky but seems do-able. My current approach is to provision a VM image and use Incus for the execution. My main goal is to keep my current workflow of local/non-agent dev working seamlessly and share the source with the VM/agent.
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowcontinued:
This means sharing my working dirs with the agent VM but overlaying artifact dirs from VM-owned block devices so we don't take too big of an IO perf hit. I also don't want the agent to be able to git push so that means we need some quirky git config to rewrite origin paths and thread through some agent specific PATs ("thanks" GitHub) for read-only repo access. These ALSO need to be threaded through to the development containers - they need to clone private repos.
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowcontinued:
... in the end, this seems to work but I haven't lived with it for long. There are still some quality of life issues to work out, but I think it'll work out. At this point, I've removed all coding agents from my host - and that's nice.
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowreplied to@stagas🤸profilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
It's tangential to the sandboxing topic, really. I started the first post with a broader intent in mind and then elaborated on the sandboxing setup I'm working on. For AI-assisted coding, though, it's nice because Haskell provides a lot of feedback earlier in the development process compared to lots of other languages. It tends to work once it compiles (obviously not all the time).
@semperos📒profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.wrote:
This bout of COVID is more like “Corona Light” compared to previous years, but I’m still spending most of it in bed. Stay safe out there.
@chenxiangprofilefollowwrote:
看来可以发中文。因为没有身份证，所以不能拥有手机号，接着不能注册稳定的email，也就没法注册内容平台，发布内容。hotmail因为我没有稳定的ip地址，常常封禁我的email账号，我的mastodon账号因此也没法长期使用。我希望这是一个我可以长期发布内容的地方
It seems I can post in Chinese. Because I don't have an ID card, I can't have a phone number, and therefore can't register a stable email address, which means I can't register on content platforms or publish content. Hotmail frequently blocks my email account because I don't have a stable IP address, so my Mastodon account can't be used long-term. I hope this is a place where I can publish content consistently.
@fastidiousprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." — Sid Meyersreplied to@chenxiangprofilefollow:
嗯，好吧，为了你自己，我希望它能持续很长时间。你的互联网问题很难解决，非常抱歉！ :-(
Well, okay, for your own sake, I hope it lasts a long time. I'm so sorry your internet problem is so difficult to fix! :-(
@chenxiangprofilefollowreplied to@fastidiousprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." — Sid Meyers:
谢谢你，没想到还真有人回我的帖子，我在互联网上至少几年没和人对话过了
Thank you. I didn't expect anyone to actually reply to my post. I haven't had a conversation with anyone online for at least several years.
@fastidiousprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." — Sid Meyersreplied to@chenxiangprofilefollow:
很高兴成为很久以来的第一个人之一，我的朋友！好好的，周末愉快！原谅我的小错误，我正在用翻译来回复。我们都知道大多数时候都不太好。
So happy to be one of the first people to reply in a long time, my friend! Have a good weekend! Please forgive my little mistake, I'm replying using a translation. We all know things aren't always great.
@fastidiousprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." — Sid Meyersreplied to@chenxiangprofilefollow:
I am sure pretty much everything that isn’t criminal, abusive, or illegal. I know those definitions vary from country to country. Just be a good human, and you should be OK.
@stagas🤸profilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogwrote:
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@amyprofilefollowa work in progress; i love cats 🐱wrote:
Had to take care of something for school. But now in bed with my book.
@wtrprofilefollowwrote:
日本語話者はどれくらいいるんだろう。ここで日本語で書き込み続けるのはどうなんだろう
I wonder how many Japanese speakers there are. Is it okay to keep posting in Japanese here?
@sicilicaprofilefollowreplied to@wtrprofilefollow:
ここで日本語で書き込み続けるのはどうなんだろう サイト作成者はさまざまの言語の話者が一緒に話せる場面にしたい気がする &1045
@pqsprofilefollowwrote:
Are there any plans to filter by language? What will happen when people start posting in several languages? #meta
I wonder if it's okay to keep posting in Japanese here. I get the feeling the site creator wants this to be a place where speakers of various languages can talk together. &1045
@pqsprofilefollowwrote:
Are there any plans to filter by language? What will happen when people start posting in several languages? #meta
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@jamesjan3profilefollowresearcher, developer, dancerwrote:
i dont think its all talk, these are smart people that have been in ai since the 2000s, and they raise good points. current incentive structures are very dangerous long term
@stagas🤸profilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogreplied to@jamesjan3profilefollowresearcher, developer, dancer:
they too have every incentive to exaggerate because they are selling safety and/or books on the topic. I don’t believe we won’t see it coming. Any issues that will manifest will be very visible and we’ll have plenty of time to mitigate their impact.
@jamesjan3profilefollowresearcher, developer, dancerreplied to@stagas🤸profilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
they could be making a lot more money by just working at ai firms i fear. the thing that got me worried the hacking incidents lately, huggingface etc. if the capabilities consistently outspeed the development of safety measures, and if the private arms race logic continues, i dont think this is a good spot to be in long term