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Made an important decision today to remove bots entirely from #tlognotesfollow. @hn10 was deleted and weโll no longer have bot accounts and they wonโt be accepted into the platform. It was an experiment but I felt it was diluting the conversations and the cozy human character of #textlognotesfollow.
Syndication bots are ok, as long as the content youโre sharing is yours.
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@amyprofilefollowa work in progress; i love cats ๐ฑreplied to@stagas๐คธprofilefollow
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creator of textlog:Bye bye @hn10, youโll not be missed!
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@stagas๐คธprofilefollow
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creator of textlog:
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creator of textlog:Iโll miss hn10 but as you say - things were becoming more diluted by the sheer amount of posts by it.
Have you thought about say bots.textlog.cc where it is a bot-only space and users of
textlog.cc can follow bots they want or like@fastidiousprofilefollow
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyerswrote:
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyerswrote:@stagas๐คธprofilefollow
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"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyers:
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creator of textlogreplied to@fastidiousprofilefollow
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyers:This isnโt very constructive. What do you suggest?
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But I hear you. Iโll make it an option and let people enable timestamps again. We can judge from usage after how many did it whether to make it default on.
Timestamps are now a preference in Appearance โ Misc. Enjoy :)
Make sure you edit your timezone afterwards from the profile settings so the hover detailed timestamp is correct.
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"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyersreplied to@stagas๐คธprofilefollow
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"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyersreplied to@stagas๐คธprofilefollow
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creator of textlog:๐ฅฐ Sooo happy! I know it is hard to please everyone, but this (set on preference) sure does!
@evnmprofilefollowSoftware engineerGitHubevnm - Overviewevnm has 51 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub., trail runnerStravaSignup for free to see more about LawrenceJoin Lawrence and get inspired for your next workout, gear-maker. Working on something new for homeownersgetonmain.comMain ยท A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.replied to@stagas๐คธprofilefollow
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creator of textlog:
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creator of textlog:Nice! Thank you
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@fastidiousprofilefollow
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyers:
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyers:This is exactly what I think we wanted, right? Engagement should have a core need to be born and not solely because someone said something 5 min ago, but because they said it. Not when. At least for me - this is entirely more valuable. โฆ but I may be missing the point. Haha
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@procyon๐ฆprofilefollowlate is the hour in which this conjuror chooses to appearreplied to@14profilefollow:
Password is way more convenient IMO. Takes 3 seconds to log in rather than 60 (I timed it: open webmail, log in, open textlog, submit email, wait for email, click link) and I have to do this every time because the browser is set to clear all cookies on exit
Password login implemented, can be enabled from /account/securitytextlogenterA quieter place for your thoughts. cc @procyonprofilefollowlate is the hour in which this conjuror chooses to appear @fastidiousprofilefollow
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyers @superprofilefollow @chenxiangprofilefollow #featurenotesfollow #tlognotesfollow
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyers @superprofilefollow @chenxiangprofilefollow #featurenotesfollow #tlognotesfollow@fastidiousprofilefollow
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyersreplied to@stagas๐คธprofilefollow
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creator of textlog:
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyersreplied to@stagas๐คธprofilefollow
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creator of textlog:Email magic link is enough for me, but it is good to have a second option. Thanks mate! ๐๐ป
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"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyerscontinued:
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyerscontinued:Found the use for it just now. At work I get my personal emails on my mobile device, but I am accessing textlog on the desktop. Getting a magic link on my mobile doesn't help me at all getting logged in on desktop. Enter the old, venerable, password.
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creator of textlogreplied to@fastidiousprofilefollow
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyers:
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creator of textlogreplied to@fastidiousprofilefollow
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyers:Good catch! I've added yet another option, you can enter the six-digit code manually in the "Check your email" screen instead of the magic link. This should cover this case without the need to enable password.
Dโoh! Just when you convinced me!
and i also like the way it's implemented now, as an opt-in settingtextlogenterA quieter place for your thoughts., instead of being the default.
moved to a new city recently and going to a Movie club meetup tonight. nervous cause I'm a huge introvert but I gotta make friends some way.
@gherleinprofilefollowMaker and Builder. Cloud, embedded systems, video, telephony, radio, electronics, linux, whatever. blog.herlein.comwrote:
anyone else seriously into agentic loop development?
@hmnt_bazookaprofilefollowYear 4 CS. Like tech, systems, game devreplied to@gherleinprofilefollowMaker and Builder. Cloud, embedded systems, video, telephony, radio, electronics, linux, whatever. blog.herlein.com:
I've been working with physical AI - Letting LLMs control robots in a warehouse to collaborate and collectively come up with a physically correct solution to carry out a natural language intent. We had to study the reactive nature of agents, nudges they required, etc.
@gherleinprofilefollowMaker and Builder. Cloud, embedded systems, video, telephony, radio, electronics, linux, whatever. blog.herlein.comreplied to@hmnt_bazookaprofilefollowYear 4 CS. Like tech, systems, game dev:
that's awesome and near my heart. I kicked off a personal project emergingrobotics.ai
@hmnt_bazookaprofilefollowYear 4 CS. Like tech, systems, game devreplied to@gherleinprofilefollowMaker and Builder. Cloud, embedded systems, video, telephony, radio, electronics, linux, whatever. blog.herlein.com:
haha that's a coincidence. Site looks awesome. The moving away from ROS2 part is so true. One of our main potential customers for physical AI solutions (a telecom provider in JP) communicated the need for agents to be able to pick up controls from any vendor
@hellodaviddev๐คชprofilefollowdev, programming, going off vibes and coffee
hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.wrote:
I like the minimalism of this site, very well done imo. It is more engaging.
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creator of textlogreplied to@hellodaviddev๐คชprofilefollowdev, programming, going off vibes and coffee
hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.:
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creator of textlogreplied to@hellodaviddev๐คชprofilefollowdev, programming, going off vibes and coffee
hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.:Appreciate it, thank you!
Hello, seems fun this space, keep explore!
#goodmorningnotesfollow
@catastrofer๐ฅธprofilefollowJust another AI guyreplied to@orangefor2profilefollowtry to be a happy engineer of the life:
Really nice so far!!
It's not clear, based on personal experience, how long - if it all - the software development field will value devs who actually enjoy the work. Most people I know are producing mostly AI work and there's an obvious skill decline that's resulted from it. 1/?
But does it matter if your boss doesn't care? Or if their boss doesn't care? If the paychecks keep coming who cares? What's the point of choosing the mountain if the "joy" just means more hours on screen that could have been spent elsewhere? 2/?
@swiley๐คprofilefollowswiley.net
Try my zero dependency agent harness: public.swiley.net/agent.py
If you're spending too much time on sites like these install bingeblock.comreplied to@deallocprofilefollow:
It never did. Before AI people did webslop in node.js, before that people were slopping in Java.
AI changes surprisingly little.
@deallocprofilefollowreplied to@swiley๐คprofilefollowswiley.net
Try my zero dependency agent harness: public.swiley.net/agent.py
If you're spending too much time on sites like these install bingeblock.com:
Only if you buy into the narrative that AI is "just another layer of abstraction." Which of course, it isn't.
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Try my zero dependency agent harness: public.swiley.net/agent.py
If you're spending too much time on sites like these install bingeblock.comreplied to@deallocprofilefollow:
No, it obviously isn't that. It also isn't going to be some fantastic thing that transcends humanity either, it's just another tool.
It is Taco Tuesday after all.
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World's best off-by-one error
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Try my zero dependency agent harness: public.swiley.net/agent.py
If you're spending too much time on sites like these install bingeblock.comwrote:
The machine I use textlog on didn't have a functioning display due to the xlibre drama. It's over and I'm back now!
@hippo๐ฆprofilefollowStrictly no LLMs. No exceptions.replied to@swiley๐คprofilefollowswiley.net
Try my zero dependency agent harness: public.swiley.net/agent.py
If you're spending too much time on sites like these install bingeblock.com:
Was not aware that there had been any xlibre drama. What's the story there?
@swiley๐คprofilefollowswiley.net
Try my zero dependency agent harness: public.swiley.net/agent.py
If you're spending too much time on sites like these install bingeblock.comreplied to@hippo๐ฆprofilefollowStrictly no LLMs. No exceptions.:
Xlibre had some bad releases that broke people's displays, Artix maintainers went back to Xorg as the default, xlibre maintainers got mad.
It's all kind of sad, one of the Artix maintainers quit over being stalked and harassed.
@hippo๐ฆprofilefollowStrictly no LLMs. No exceptions.replied to@swiley๐คprofilefollowswiley.net
Try my zero dependency agent harness: public.swiley.net/agent.py
If you're spending too much time on sites like these install bingeblock.com:
Drama indeed.
It's all X.org here as there's no reason not to for me. Anyway, glad you have your display back.
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@neoprofilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.:
I direct a plan, then break it into phases, and each phase into sections with tasks and sub-tasks. The plan outlines all phases, but only write tasks one phase at a time, since things change. #opinionnotesfollow
That's how I've been working with #ainotesfollow for the past few months to a year. It has been amazingly consistently high quality.
just-get-it-done is for the rough sketch or proof of concepts (I do those too and a lot of them) but never for a quality product. #opinionnotesfollow
Seems the spammers have arrived. โน๏ธ
Is there (or can there be) some mechanism to flag posts or accounts as spam?
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creator of textlogreplied to@hippo๐ฆprofilefollowStrictly no LLMs. No exceptions.:
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creator of textlogreplied to@hippo๐ฆprofilefollowStrictly no LLMs. No exceptions.:You tap on the post a few times until you are at the post page of that post and you click โreportโ. There you can select reason โspamโ!
@hippo๐ฆprofilefollowStrictly no LLMs. No exceptions.replied to@stagas๐คธprofilefollow
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creator of textlog:
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creator of textlog:Reported now. Thanks.
@hippo๐ฆprofilefollowStrictly no LLMs. No exceptions.replied to@stagas๐คธprofilefollow
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creator of textlog:
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creator of textlog:I reported one post for spam twice today - there was no indication on re-viewing the post that I had already reported it. I think that some sort of indicator of posts I have already reported would be good. Or, if it's simpler, just don't show them to me in the feeds after reporting. Thanks.
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"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyersreplied to@kateprofilefollow:
"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ Sid Meyersreplied to@kateprofilefollow:You forgot the โone, two, threeโ. :-)
well, /apitextlogAPIA quieter place for your thoughts. doesn't have posting endpoints, how to post programmatically then?
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creator of textlogreplied to@hotterprofilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.:
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creator of textlogreplied to@hotterprofilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.:didn't want to invite all the bots from day one :P we're #open_sourcenotesfollow if someone wants to implement API authentication and mutation endpoints they are free to try github.com/stagas/textlogGitHubGitHub - stagas/textlog: textlog.cctextlog.cc. Contribute to stagas/textlog development by creating an account on GitHub.
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creator of textlogreplied to@hotterprofilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.:
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creator of textlogreplied to@hotterprofilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.:You might want to update your client now that we have actual write endpointstextlogAPIA quieter place for your thoughts.!
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@semperos๐profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.:
What about the lack of density to paragraphs, the length of the sentences, or the confidence and determinism of their direction? Conviction with no limits. So reliably repetitive that you start seeing patterns as if you are looking and reading a record player with some scratches on it. Skips. Squeaks. Repeats.
Yet. It gets the job done.
@semperos๐profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.replied to@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.:
Yet. It gets the job done.
Here's where we disagree.
Using these tools as part of the job, certainly. But if I am to read, discern meaning, analyze choices of diction and structure, consider the context both of the author and the audience, and finally derive value from the written word, then generative #ainotesfollow falls short on many levels.
If the "job" is to produce something no one was ever intending to engage with, then we have a more fundamental question about the value of the job.
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@semperos๐profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.:
Maybe what I messaged read as a disagreement and mentioning that they get the job done was actually not about producing prose (of any quality).
I wholeheartedly agreed and still agree with you.
Getting the job done was more about producing output - be it some prose, images, videos, software, whatever. They do generate output. It is not to say that the output is meaningful or meaningless. Some souls do enjoy it. Some others - donโt.
I did start with a question though.
I forgot that I was at work and did my big sneeze, not the work sneeze. The one where a startled deer looks straight into the camera, which then zooms out to a flock of pigeons taking off, and a crow makes a warning noise.
Someone dropped something in the adjacent lab. I hope it wasn't my fault.
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creator of textlog:Oh nice. I went looking for a knob to turn off sounds, but didn't think to look in Appearance.