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@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.wrote:
Body's awake, eyes are sleepy. Mind's awake, brain is sleepy.
@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.continued:
After #exercisenotesfollow everything's awake and a good kind of sore. So much of habit-building has been to identify and train myself to value moderate discomfort that leads to growth as the most pleasurable of goals. Consistent spiritual efforts, healthy food and in proper amounts, minimum sleep quota, regular exercise a few times a weekโ€”all of these involve discomfort and force of will, but all of them enable growth and fulfillment.
@hellodaviddev๐Ÿคชprofilefollowdev, programming, going off vibes and coffee hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.wrote:
How do you define #AInotesfollow slop in relation to #codingnotesfollow? For me, it is how quickly you get to an unmaintainable state- the acceleration into something that becomes difficult to work. I talk more about it here: hellodavid.dev/blog/slop #Softwarenotesfollow #Developmentnotesfollow
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowreplied to@hellodaviddev๐Ÿคชprofilefollowdev, programming, going off vibes and coffee hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.:
Not that I think we're close to a canonical definition (as if we'll ever all agree on one) but my team has defacto adopted the definition of code that the developer responsible for it doesn't understand, approve of and essentially has now honestly reviewed. Basically anything which leads to cognitive debt.
@hellodaviddev๐Ÿคชprofilefollowdev, programming, going off vibes and coffee hellodavid.devDavid Gonzalez-VelezDavid Gonzalez-Velez | Software Engineer & ResearcherSelf-taught software engineer and researcher based in Chicago, specializing in quantum computation and full-stack development.replied to@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollow:
I agree, I don't think that there will ever be one canonical definition, but I like this definition as well, as it places the onus on the actual person creating the slop. Thank you for sharing!
@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogcontinued:
Crazy what happened earlier; one the cats here โ€”the one Iโ€™m closest withโ€” started unexpectedly meowing outside wanting to get in, I let it in and it started licking me like never before, as if she sensed Iโ€™m leaving in a couple of days, canโ€™t explain it otherwise.
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.wrote:
I wonder if there is a way, sane and friendly way, to prove that a piece of software is only accessing whatever it claims it will access.
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.continued:
Like network addresses or file system access. I want to be able to claim in my software that it only touches this or that file and I can prove it
@ku๐Ÿค”profilefollowHai I am kureplied to@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
I think a trusted piece of software such as your operating system should be in charge of managing permissions. For example, I believe with Wayland on gnome you no longer need to promise you aren't secretly taking screenshots of the whole monitor and shipping it somewhere because to do that Wayland requires you to get user permission.
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@ku๐Ÿค”profilefollowHai I am ku:
I was thinking along the same line, but then if it is not a gated system - thereโ€™s always ways for software to sidestep these - just going down to a lower level. The other issue I have is if the system or software asks or notifies all the time - for every tiny user action!
@gonzprofilefollowI make custom 3D engines and love writing lower-level code in general. Living in Bulgaria. github.com/GoNZoooGitHubGoNZooo - OverviewBackend & frontend. Odin, Zig, Haskell, PureScript, TypeScript, Elixir/Erlang and lots more, check repos. - GoNZooo & www.youtube.com/@mccGoNZoooYouTubeRickard Andersson (gonz)Educational programming videos: - Projects - Language learning course-style contentreplied to@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
Morning! What's on the docket today?
@johy๐Ÿฆฅprofilefollowreplied to@gonzprofilefollowI make custom 3D engines and love writing lower-level code in general. Living in Bulgaria. github.com/GoNZoooGitHubGoNZooo - OverviewBackend & frontend. Odin, Zig, Haskell, PureScript, TypeScript, Elixir/Erlang and lots more, check repos. - GoNZooo & www.youtube.com/@mccGoNZoooYouTubeRickard Andersson (gonz)Educational programming videos: - Projects - Language learning course-style content:
In the middle of migrating very old, homegrown tomfoolery into a more modern stack. Fun and vexing at the same time. This codebase has all of the bad decisions. All of them.
@highkeyprofilefollowwrote:
Hello! I am a cynical optimist and recovering realist. It's been 3 days since my last sip of Hobbes. Today, I'm hopeful again. That's all I have for now. Thanks.
@gikkmanprofilefollowwrote:
Do you code in silence or do you listen to music? If so, what kind of music do you prefer? Personally, I prefer Synthwave, vaporwave or the occasional country.
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@shifferbrains๐Ÿค profilefollowreplied to@gikkmanprofilefollow:
Occasionally silence if I forget to turn on music. Otherwise, death grips and a curated EDM playlist are on rotate. It keeps me moving fast. But also Steve Reich's Music for 18 Musicians albums go hard for long session, distraction-free music
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowreplied to@gikkmanprofilefollow:
Often silence, for me. I could create a (narrow) bell curve of problems where I listen to music. If I'm doing light enough work then I don't tend to listen to music, probably just out of habit - but as I approach problems of a certain complexity then I do prefer music. I just find that complexity band is narrow and past it I need to turn off the music. I would like to widen my music band. My preference is usually ambient - I like Gaussian curve and Hiroshi Yoshimura
@chenxiangprofilefollowwrote:
ๆˆ‘ๅœจไธญๅ›ฝๆ˜ฏไธ€ไธชๅ‡†่„ฑ็ฆปๆ”ฟๅบœๆŽŒๆŽง่€…๏ผŒๅŸบไบŽ่บซไปฝ็š„ไธ€ๅˆ‡ๆดปๅŠจๆˆ‘้ƒฝไธๅ‚ไธŽ๏ผŒๆฏ”ๅฆ‚ๆญฃๅผๅทฅไฝœๅ’Œ็ฝ‘่ดญใ€‚ๆˆ‘ไนŸไธบๆญคไป˜ๅ‡บๅทจๅคงไปฃไปท๏ผŒๆˆ‘็š„้€‰ๆ‹ฉ็ฉบ้—ด่ขซๆžๅคงๅŽ‹็ผฉ๏ผŒ่กŒๅŠจ่ƒฝๅŠ›ๆŸๅคฑไธฅ้‡ใ€‚ๆˆ‘ๅช่ƒฝ้€š่ฟ‡ๅฐ‘้‡ๅ…่ดนwifi่ฎฟ้—ฎไบ’่”็ฝ‘
In China, I am practically independent of the government; I don't participate in any activities based on my status, such as formal work or online shopping. I've paid a heavy price for this; my choices have been severely limited, and my mobility has been significantly impaired. I can only access the internet through limited free Wi-Fi.
@edwin๐Ÿ˜ฌprofilefollowreplied to@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
If programming is the typing of characters into a text file, it is way worse. I think the key to learning is still doing it rather than reading it. If the question is about system design I think you can, but only if you curious and it becomes a problem that needs to be solved. Asking "What do you think" is one of my favorite questions to learn at the moment.
@kev๐Ÿงœprofilefollowrunner. making games, music, software. getting into as much trouble as i can.replied to@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
I do think there will be what were hard earned lessons about system design, code smell, designing data structures for the hardware you're running on, concurrency golden paths, etc., which are now with agentic dev even harder to learn and internalize. But also if you have an excellent teacher in the form of an actually-good model pair programming with you always, maybe not? Maybe a pair programming AI programming tutor would be a good Zed/vscode extension. Or product.
@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.wrote:
So much present tense in #ainotesfollow generated prose. Terse, authoritative sentences, without breathing room, without hesitation or qualification. It jumps off the page, and not in a good way.
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.:
What about the lack of density to paragraphs, the length of the sentences, or the confidence and determinism of their direction? Conviction with no limits. So reliably repetitive that you start seeing patterns as if you are looking and reading a record player with some scratches on it. Skips. Squeaks. Repeats. Yet. It gets the job done.
@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.replied to@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.:
Yet. It gets the job done. Here's where we disagree. Using these tools as part of the job, certainly. But if I am to read, discern meaning, analyze choices of diction and structure, consider the context both of the author and the audience, and finally derive value from the written word, then generative #ainotesfollow falls short on many levels. If the "job" is to produce something no one was ever intending to engage with, then we have a more fundamental question about the value of the job.
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.:
Maybe what I messaged read as a disagreement and mentioning that they get the job done was actually not about producing prose (of any quality). I wholeheartedly agreed and still agree with you. Getting the job done was more about producing output - be it some prose, images, videos, software, whatever. They do generate output. It is not to say that the output is meaningful or meaningless. Some souls do enjoy it. Some others - donโ€™t. I did start with a question though.
@radiocappy๐Ÿง™profilefollow"The impediment to action advances action, what stands in the way becomes the way." - Marcus Aureliuswrote:
"Think of yourself as dead. You have lived your life. Now, take what's left and live it properly." - Marcus Aurelius #philosophynotesfollow
@neoprofilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.wrote:
Run Claude code in docker sandbox (sbx) to ensure it only has current folder access and limited or no network access. Especially since a lot of runs are now in โ€œauto modeโ€. Unless even this is not really so safe!? #ainotesfollow
@fastidiousprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyersreplied to@neoprofilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.:
Claude will run on auto mode only if you tell it to do it.
@zenprofilefollowfather, cyclist, #haskellnotesfollow, #emacsnotesfollowreplied to@fastidiousprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyers:
They've changed the default - claude.com/blog/auto-mode-default-in-claude-codeClaudeAuto mode is now the default in Claude Code for Pro, Max, and Team plans | Claude by AnthropicClaude Code will soon run auto mode by default for Pro, Max, and Team plans, enabling longer-running autonomous work, and catching more dangerous commands.
@procyonprofilefollowlate is the hour in which this conjuror chooses to appearreplied to@xlayn๐Ÿคชprofilefollow:
You've hit the nail on the head. But here's the mindblowing partโ€”writing isn't just about text on a page. It's not about listing a bunch of facts to memorize. Writing is about human connection. And here's where it gets even more fascinating... [parody, not AI]
@xlayn๐Ÿคชprofilefollowreplied to@procyonprofilefollowlate is the hour in which this conjuror chooses to appear:
Some writing yes, If you want to write a post saying why your company has a position yes; if you are documenting an API, does the average swagger page have a human connection factor? If you are in X/FB, is any of your followers a "human connection"?
@xlayn๐Ÿคชprofilefollowcontinued:
Then, in some spaces, say big corp communications, the terse, direct communication is desired, for example the quarter earning communication? What about software?, what part of your browser gives you the "human connection"?
@procyonprofilefollowlate is the hour in which this conjuror chooses to appearreplied to@xlayn๐Ÿคชprofilefollow:
If writing (incl X/FB posts) is meant to convey "some human being did/saw/thought this and found it worth writing about", then AI undermines human connection and will annoy people. API docs, earnings reports, &c never conveyed that to begin with, so nobody will care about AI use.
@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.wrote:
Maybe neither of us will ever know when this was written. Live.
@ben๐Ÿ˜ŠprofilefollowDesigner, no-code maker of stuffreplied to@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.:
Itโ€™s easy, just add your own timestamp to posts 2:35โ€ฏam Tuesday, 25 August 2026 Coordinated Universal Time (UTC)
@gruntprofilefollowI am just a grain of sand on your beach.replied to@ben๐Ÿ˜ŠprofilefollowDesigner, no-code maker of stuff:
No one would ever misuse this convention. This post was written on Thursday, 26 November 2009, 16:05 UTC+3:00