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profilefollowDad, Bookworm, and Bad Coffee Connoisseur. Love: Text Interfaces, Small Circuit Boards and Japan (Showa era).wrote:
Loving this, congratz on the #launchnotesfollow
๐ŸฅธprofilefollowJust another AI guywrote:
I think I may be use this for now to spill out my guts a bit. Set out boundaries guys. I was basically ignoring how important that is, whatever is at work, family, relations. Be loved being you, you don't have to meet any expectations beyond yours.
profilefollowa dog in your computer. i like plaintext, programs under 10mb, and palettes under 17 colors.wrote:
we're taking over. :3 this site is for weird animal tgirls now #launchnotesfollow
profilefollow10+ years Seattle based software engineer.wrote:
Recently hit 10+ years (cumulative) of being a software engineer. I must say, I enjoy senior level interviews much more than coding interviews.
Hello! I am a cynical optimist and recovering realist. It's been 3 days since my last sip of Hobbes. Today, I'm hopeful again. That's all I have for now. Thanks.
Feather to paper that's moon inked for you -- a greeting from somewhere. It isn't for you. But it will be for you.
profilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostlywrote:
The inaugural, proverbial first post. Seems like a lovely service here.
๐Ÿ™ˆprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyersreplied toprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
The proverbial first post should have been โ€œhello worldโ€. :-P You are the first rustacean I come across!
profilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostlyreplied to๐Ÿ™ˆprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyers:
LOL! Good point:)
profilefollowEat, drink, listen to ๐ŸŽถ, & watch the fish. Occasionally cook.wrote:
Microsoft Word Online (web version) is horrible.
๐Ÿฆ›profilefollowreplied toprofilefollowEat, drink, listen to ๐ŸŽถ, & watch the fish. Occasionally cook.:
It was the only way to reproduce the authentic horrible experience of the offline version.
profilefollowEat, drink, listen to ๐ŸŽถ, & watch the fish. Occasionally cook.replied to๐Ÿฆ›profilefollow:
๐Ÿคฃ Did not remember the offline version being this bad, but maybe it went downhill in the past 5 years I have not used it.
profilefollowI am just a grain of sand on your beach.replied toprofilefollowEat, drink, listen to ๐ŸŽถ, & watch the fish. Occasionally cook.:
I never used the online version, but the last time I used the offline version it already was a horrible experience. This was about 5 years ago, before I had moved entirely to Linux. It was so bad I downloaded a pirated version of some old MS Office 2007 Blue Edition to have something acceptable. I unironically prefer Libre Office.
profilefollowa work in progress; i love cats ๐Ÿฑwrote:
The TPMS indicator came back on again today; on the same road, can you believe it? I might have to get it checked at Costco this weekend.
๐ŸฅธprofilefollowJust another AI guywrote:
These days Ive been learning how to deal with guilt and feeling gulti about things I didn't cause. NGL is hard man, how do you start cntl-z your brains on that
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profilefollowi create thingswrote:
I'm curious how do people start writing longer novels.. what determines the length of it? Like I have a story in mind but it feels like I'm "filling" details instead of communicating information.
profilefollowI carved wooden spoons and my favourite herb is lemon thyme.wrote:
After months of hardly any rain, Iโ€™m really enjoying a cozy day stuck indoors just listening to the downpour; getting on with doing some house cleaning. Is it too premature to declare this autumnโ‡
profilefollowdeveloper stereotype: music lover, gamer, and failed artistwrote:
hi o/ im from south america, i see the #launchnotesfollow on HN. I really like the vibes and the idea. Ill probably be posting here often, while in the office. cya
profilefollowphotography, art, solo dev, based in NYCwrote:
#ainotesfollow Installed Hermes Desktop and starting to build out my team of bots. My experience with Hermes so far has been great: it keeps surprising me by being what i need it to be ... but I'll reserve a final judgement until after a proper period of use.
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Well this looks very nice indeed. Just dipping a hoof into the river for now ...
I think it will still apply, just perhaps to a lesser degree. Kind of related to this blog postevnm.substack.comPlatform engineering still mattersReuse is a good thing, even with agentic coding I wrote recently (not to shamelessly plug my stuff ๐Ÿซฃ)
๐Ÿ˜Žprofilefollowcurious & creativewrote:
What if AI will never reach full autonomy and humans are still needed to give direction and purpose and take responsibility - probably... not all humans like to be masters of AIs all day long and not all (who want to) can do that equally well.
profilefollowI'm Nobody! Who are you? Are you - Nobody - too? Then there's a pair of us! Dont tell! they'd banish us - you know!wrote:
I'm Nobody! Who are you? Are you - Nobody - too? Then there's a pair of us! Dont tell! they'd banish us - you know! How dreary - to be - Somebody! How public - like a Frog - To tell your name - the livelong June - To an admiring Bog!
profilefollowa work in progress; i love cats ๐Ÿฑreplied toprofilefollowI'm Nobody! Who are you? Are you - Nobody - too? Then there's a pair of us! Dont tell! they'd banish us - you know!:
Nobody is perfect. Iโ€™m nobody.
profilefollowlate is the hour in which this conjuror chooses to appearreplied toprofilefollowI'm Nobody! Who are you? Are you - Nobody - too? Then there's a pair of us! Dont tell! they'd banish us - you know!:
Yesterday upon the stair I saw a man who wasn't there He wasn't there again today How I wish he'd go away!
Vรฅr konges livsgjerning gรฅr mot slutten, landet samler seg for รฅ ta farvel med en konge som har vรฆrt samlende og god for landet. Mรฅ Gud velsigne hans minne og hans etterfรธlger. #norgenotesfollow #kongharaldnotesfollow
Our king's life's work is coming to an end, the country comes together to say goodbye to a king who has been unifying and good for the country. May God bless his memory and his successor. #norwaynotesfollow #kongharaldnotesfollow
profilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.wrote:
Bad night, first the boy woke up at midnight and went with him, then at 4 am heavy rain started so went to bring the bike to the terrace, then thunderstorm and kids were scary, then the cat meowed at 6am. Iโ€™m okay.
Using deep research for trip planning and visualising it with coding agent is fun.
you could split to buckets like alphanumerically and parallelize it if you don't want to wait that long. Probably need to launch a few instances but still cheaper lol.
The slowness is intentional. I wanted to make it look more like a user doing it than a script so it doesn't set off any alarms. I have it waiting from 1 to 3 seconds between clicks to slow it down. :-) So far so good!
profilefollowphotography, art, solo dev, based in NYCwrote:
Just got Moshi set up - a phone-friendly terminal app. Works well with Herdr for persistent agents, friendly UI. Verdict so far: looks like I'll be working more from my phone.
profilefollow๐ŸŽ A lifetime Apple user. Partner says I am pedantic, sarcastic, and cynic. I just want to be me.wrote:
Which Linux distribution do you like the most, and why? Follow the previous with your favourite desktop environment.
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๐Ÿ˜ดprofilefollowI really enjoy learning, I really enjoy making. I'm learning to be less guarded.replied toprofilefollow:
I've been leaning hard on NixOS in my latest attempt at a linux desktop box and have been really enjoying it. LLMs definitely help as there's a tremendous amount of information you need to use it effectively, I feel. I also started with Hyprland but then moved to Niri and have really enjoyed it.
profilefollowreplied toprofilefollow๐ŸŽ A lifetime Apple user. Partner says I am pedantic, sarcastic, and cynic. I just want to be me.:
Arch, because I feel you cannot use Linux without knowing how it works, and sway for window manager because it is highly stable, wholly keyboard driven, and tiling
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profilefollowLiving by the Zen of Python! keyboardinterrupt.comreplied toprofilefollowNew here:
I spent some time looking into what Omarchy has become since I installed it on my system, and I donโ€™t think I like it anymore. ^^ Using it mainly to open a browser or applications like VS Codeโ€ฆ well, I can do that with any OS. But the whole โ€œAI-firstโ€ direction, DHH, and everything surrounding it are making me reconsider. Iโ€™ll probably migrate away from it soon. #bummernotesfollow
profilefollowreplied toprofilefollow๐ŸŽ A lifetime Apple user. Partner says I am pedantic, sarcastic, and cynic. I just want to be me.:
Ubuntu or Linux Mint with Cinnamon and i3 alternating as window managers here
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profilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.wrote:
(defun textlog-post (beg end) "Publish the region between BEG and END to `textlog-url'. Interactively, requires an active region. Returns the URL of the new post when the server reports one."
I'm making a Kakoune version of this for sure.
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You have #kakounenotesfollow, there is no need. I tried Emacs out a while ago to see whether it could replace Kakoune (I wanted to draw arbitrary stuff like images, 3D views, etc., in the editor) but honestly, Kakoune makes everything so easy to integrate that it was hard for it to compete.
profilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostlywrote:
I'm going to attempt to build a take on a board game I loved, from 1989, MBT, by Avalon Hill. Watch me face plant. Starting by trying to understand hex math.
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๐Ÿ˜ฐprofilefollowwrote:
Been working on an old mastodon hosting project I tried to start a few years ago, with a focus on privacy. This is the first big project I've tried to come back to with the help of coding agents and find it invigorating, and gives me the confidence to actually finish the project. Who knows if it will ever make a dollar, but it sure is fun to watch my ideas come to life.
profilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.wrote:
Switching from Claude Max to Team, cc was trivial, just another login, but Claude Desktop and on iOS holds sessions in the cloud so need to move them somehow.
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Cool!! I'm currently designing and idea-shopping for an ultra light weight, super aesthetic browser whose goal is to go back to HTML roots and just be a "document browser". It would have HTML 4 and semantic HTML support, images, videos, full HTTP support, cookies, etc. No CSS, JS
profilefollowProfessional photographer, marketer and developer with a love for creative problem solving and quite the proud nerdy side!wrote:
I have developed a beautiful free app that lays out Instagram feed photos as a perfect masonry grid every time, no matter which photos you provide it. It's completely free to use if anyone wants to check it out msnry.appmsnrymsnry โ€” Instagram carousels laid like masonryCompose your photographs into one wide grid. msnry slices it into pages that swipe as one continuous strip. #ainotesfollow #saasnotesfollow #developmentnotesfollow
๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologistGitHubstagas - Overviewstagas has 462 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub. creator of textlogreplied toprofilefollowProfessional photographer, marketer and developer with a love for creative problem solving and quite the proud nerdy side!:
Very cool! At least the landing page is amazing! I couldnโ€™t try the app because I donโ€™t have photographs locally, I thought it would be able to fetch my photos from Instagram, that part I found a bit confusing.
profilefollowwrote:
I am a remote worker, and has been for 4 years now. It works great. But the owner of the office I've been renting have sold the building, and the new owner has different visions. I could work from home, but my 3 month daughter is a screamer. I had a great, cheap deal. All alternatives I find is like 3x the price.
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๐Ÿ˜ดprofilefollowI really enjoy learning, I really enjoy making. I'm learning to be less guarded.replied toprofilefollow:
I think short urls are still memorable and good. My phone doesn't surrogate all of my recall.
๐Ÿฆ›profilefollowreplied to๐Ÿ˜ดprofilefollowI really enjoy learning, I really enjoy making. I'm learning to be less guarded.:
Short URLs are good. Memorable URLs are good. URLs spat out by URL shorteners are something entirely different.
๐Ÿ˜ดprofilefollowI really enjoy learning, I really enjoy making. I'm learning to be less guarded.replied to๐Ÿฆ›profilefollow:
Ah, the randomly generated ones. Yeah, agreed.
The longer the text you need to store, the bigger a QR code needs to be in order to scan reliably. Also, you might be more confident in being able to keep a short URL stable (it's already a step of indirection, so if you want to reorg your site you can just update where the short URL points to). But people don't really take care to maintain short URLs anyway, apparently.
profilefollowI carved wooden spoons and my favourite herb is lemon thyme.wrote:
For the first time in a couple of year, I wove a rattan basket today, and the best part is it only took two hours when I was expecting it to take all day #basketrynotesfollow
๐Ÿ˜ŠprofilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.wrote:
Body's awake, eyes are sleepy. Mind's awake, brain is sleepy.
๐Ÿ˜ŠprofilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.continued:
After #exercisenotesfollow everything's awake and a good kind of sore. So much of habit-building has been to identify and train myself to value moderate discomfort that leads to growth as the most pleasurable of goals. Consistent spiritual efforts, healthy food and in proper amounts, minimum sleep quota, regular exercise a few times a weekโ€”all of these involve discomfort and force of will, but all of them enable growth and fulfillment.
profilefollowI just a fly on the wallwrote:
"Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one." - Marcus Aurelius
I am trying to learn emacs for the fun of it. The tutorial is brilliant and clear. Any tips that would help me learning more things. I know all I need is practice but if you may have used it, you may know a thing or two.
๐Ÿ™ˆprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyerscontinued:
The โ€œyou have seeing it allโ€, etc.
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Do you walk your neighborhood? Do you sit on your front porch and say hello to passersby?
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If you left your current industry, what would you do for a living?
profilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostlywrote:
Hell must have frozen over. I just installed Openclaw on my Linux box. I had already cobbled together an agent like thing (pi) that I talked to over Telegram, so I figured, let's give Openclaw 2.0 a try, locked down completely at first, but slowly opened up over time.
I'm doing experiments with short attention-span students and code. Starting with python, and, oddly, now working in BASIC. As a C programmer of 40+ years, I find this aesthetically and pedagogically displeasing, but I am delighted to see them getting fully absorbed in writing 130 PRINT "You have been eaten by a bear!" : GOTO 900. Yes there is spaghetti, but it's their spaghetti and they seem to take delight in debugging it. Python will come later. #educationnotesfollow #programmingnotesfollow
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I was talking about this with some alumni students, specifically their experience learning python with us a few years earlier (these are college students who are not really using python any more). What it seems to boil down to is that with python you have the feeling that there is this huge forest of solutions to any problem you are having -- but you will never know the whole forest. BASIC feels like you "know" it after a day or two of playing around, evidently.
profilefollowCurrently in remission from ME/CFS after 3+ years. Occasional software engineering leader, app developer, blogger, zwifter, and just being online.wrote:
hello, hello.
profilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.wrote:
The seductive power of using #ainotesfollow to just-get-it-done is very strong. One can't hurry quality. One can iterate quickly though in the hope of arriving somewhere good.
profilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied toprofilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.:
I direct a plan, then break it into phases, and each phase into sections with tasks and sub-tasks. The plan outlines all phases, but only write tasks one phase at a time, since things change. #opinionnotesfollow That's how I've been working with #ainotesfollow for the past few months to a year. It has been amazingly consistently high quality. just-get-it-done is for the rough sketch or proof of concepts (I do those too and a lot of them) but never for a quality product. #opinionnotesfollow
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I very much like textlog, it feels like a breath of fresh air
๐ŸฅธprofilefollowJust another AI guywrote:
I lately been a bit curious of strudel io and the live coding movement. I have found some cool artist but if you have any recommendation feel free to drop it.
profilefollowcoder, reader, guitarist, seeker, builder.wrote:
Judgement, taste and quality were always precious skills. In the world of #AInotesfollow, I have become more aware of the fact that it is often hard to put in words why something is good, great or amazing - or just looks good, but is average. A lot of the professional content I see feels like most Netflix series. They have all the elements - but the overall experience is still meh. Quality is still hard to achieve.
profilefollow#Emacsnotesfollow, dev, life, random stuff. the netherlands.wrote:
Onboarded on Claude Team with Unlimited credit usage. In the first day, subscription limits were hit and then it silently went on spending 530 EUR in credits before I noticed.
I knew token-based was more expensive but didnโ€™t imagine that much. Which is why u canโ€™t compete making alternative coding agents, their own subscriptions are much cheaper, but why they do it on their own Teams package is weird. Maybe targetting companies they feel they can pay.
Yes, that's for enterprises, that want SSO, governance, budgeting, data protection, etc etc. For C-level they are interested in "how much do we pay for AI", and with personal subscriptions you can't answer => can't manage it. This 530 EUR is the price for that learning.
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(Opinion) People donโ€™t like generative AI because it made the {insert creativity} too easy. Saw the HN post on โ€˜AI music banned from top 40 chart in Australiaโ€™ and people had very strong opinions in both directions. The hot take: If youโ€™re ok with someoneโ€™s creativity being outsourced to others, then you should be ok with AI doing the same. If โ€œAI made this and I call it mineโ€ is bad but โ€œsomeone overseas on fivver made this and I call it mineโ€ and itโ€™s suddenly ok, time to self reflect.
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My hot take: from the moment you use technology, be it an instrument, a synthesizer, a DAW, and now AI, it is still your idea, your effort, your time spent, and that makes it yours. Others can do the same if they choose. The same way someone chooses a classic guitar over a synthesizer, one can choose an AI over (insert ancient way of doing things).
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I am not a musician, so I lack the jargon to properly explain what I mean. I used AI for creative writing (nothing too fancy, TTRPG). There, the broader the dice roll, the more generic and uninteresting the results. Slop, if you will. It was surprisingly good to build up on ideas I had however. I imagine muisic also has building blocks. Melodies, instruments, mixing, etc. AI can perhaps be used in a similar fashion there.
๐Ÿ˜ดprofilefollowI really enjoy learning, I really enjoy making. I'm learning to be less guarded.replied to๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologistGitHubstagas - Overviewstagas has 462 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub. creator of textlog:
I heard a perspective I sort of like: if AI is a tool then acceptable AI use is, more or less, defined as "when my audience no longer notices or cares". It's dynamic like that. Bad photoshop is detectable and annoying, so are overusing presets. Your artistry needs to expand to meet the tool. I don't know if I 100% like that or agree. At the same time, it's a pretty straightforward line, a practical take.
I kind of ask that and here is my theory... news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49289341#49290428 But on the rejection for AI just for the sake of it, I think part is that analyzing takes effort and if there is more and more to analyze you creates this mechanism to defend yourself... scroll twi... I mean reject the premise as false and ask for a human made thing because that one is "truth" more worthy.
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